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Old 11-26-2012, 12:05 AM   #61 (permalink)
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Scumbag BC:
Acquires James Johnson for First round pick
Trades away improved james johnson for 2nd round pick.
So you would feel better if he was a #27 pick rather than #35........who cares, not worth getting all that upset about, he's a scrub.
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Old 11-26-2012, 10:28 AM   #62 (permalink)
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Yah James Johnson is terrible. He probably won't even be in the NBA in a couple of years. As for trading him for a 2nd round pick, some teams value high 2nd rounders over late 1sts due to the guaranteed contract thing for 1st rounders.

http://www.nba.com/playerfile/james_johnson/

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Old 11-26-2012, 11:15 AM   #63 (permalink)
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obviously the guy is angry but he does make some sense

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Old 11-26-2012, 03:51 PM   #64 (permalink)
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im all aboard this train.
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:10 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Old 11-26-2012, 11:10 PM   #66 (permalink)
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5 reasons why Raptors GM Bryan Colangelo should be fired

By Andy Phillips

Posted: Monday, November 26, 2012 | 02:11 PM
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Bryan Colangelo's tenure as Toronto Raptors general manager has had its share of ups and downs. (Aaron Vincent Elkaim/Canadian Press)


The Bryan Colangelo era must come to an end. Mired in a four-year playoff drought and a 12-year "contender" drought, losing has become second nature to the Raptors, and expected by their fans. With a record of 3-11, the organization is looking down the barrel of another lost season. The current roster is lacking talent, plain and simple. When you don't have the players to win, the fault lies with the general manager.

So here are five reasons why Bryan Colangelo should be fired:

1. The wing rotation

The small-forward position has been an enigma to Colangelo during his time with the Raptors. Jason Kapono, Hedo Turkoglu, Jamario Moon have all occupied that position with little success. The current wing rotation might be the worst in the league. Outside of DeMar DeRozan, the Raptors are playing fringe NBA players. Landry Fields, Alan Anderson, Dominic McGuire and Linas Kleiza are all end of the bench players being asked to deliver significant results. None have a specific skill which sets them apart and all lack the ball handling and three-point shooting to be consistent threats. Now, didn't they draft a wing player, 8th overall, who was NBA-ready? Terrence Ross looks completely lost and unprepared for the NBA pace. The wing rotation has been a weakness for far too long and that's a strong indictment on Colangelo's tenure.

2. Jose Calderon and Andrea Bargnani

Colangelo has never been shy in moving players, but for whatever reason Calderon and Bargnani have remained immune. In reality, they should have been shipped out long ago. Calderon's inability to play a modicum of defence is losing the team games. Opposing teams go out of their way to attack him and have been rewarded by doing so. Bargnani remains the most frustrating player to have ever donned a Raptors uniform. Despite moments of brilliance, it's impossible to build a culture of accountability by giving minutes and shots to the apathetic 7-footer. His bouts of indifference frustrate fans and must infuriate his fellow teammates. Both Calderon and Bargnani lack the grit and motor to lift the Raptors to any level of success.

3. Lack of a veteran presence

In the hay day of the Toronto Raptors, the Vince Carter era, there was a strong veteran presence. Kevin Willis, Charles Oakley, and Mugsey Bogues led the team with a no-nonsense locker-room presence. No such identity is present on the roster, no internal accountability exists amongst the ranks of the players. In fact, the lack of an experienced voice has extended for almost three years now, since Jermaine O'Neal and Shawn Marion. Veterans don't just help you win games, they mold the young players.

4. No discernible vision

Are the Raptors rebuilding or contending? This has been the question throughout Colangelo's tenure as the team building strategy seems to wander. Ultimately, it appears the Raptors have been content with taking a stab at the eighth playoff spot, in a vain attempt to build a 'winning atmosphere.' But, more often than not, this strategy has left the team in the middle of the lottery acquiring low-ceiling players like Ed Davis and Ross. The current roster, at its peak, is first-round fodder for the superior Eastern Conference powers. With the Raptors' first rounder most likely heading to the Oklahoma City Thunder (via the Kyle Lowry trade), the direction of this team is aimless.

5. Culture of excuses

What's most alarming is the culture of excuses which is wafting out from the team. Poor officiating has become the go-to reason for the latest fourth-quarter breakdowns. Whether it comes from the on-air personalities, players, coaches or management, there's a clearly strong focus on the referees. Now, there have been a lot of questionable calls, I'll admit that. But when the team is attempting to construct a system of accountability, excuses are counterproductive. This isn't anything new, in fact, this has been going on for quite some time in Toronto. Jorge Garbajosa's infamous leg injury was to blame for the Raptors' playoff loss in 2007. Chris Bosh's lack of toughness and leadership were used as a crutch for the failures of the various roster concoctions. Colangelo has used so many different excuses for Bargnani, that I've simply lost count at this point. It starts from the top and it trickles down.

Bryan Colangelo is not without his supporters. Many believe he has brought a reputation of legitimacy to the Raptors' organization. This may be true. But one can look no further than the team's record during Colangelo's reign to understand the need for his departure: 209 wins, 281 losses. Two first-round playoff ousts and four straight lottery appearances. It's simply not good enough. The city of Toronto, and its fans, deserve better.
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Old 11-27-2012, 12:55 AM   #67 (permalink)
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guess noone remembers that trade of Calderon and Reggie Evans for Diaw and...o. TYSON CHANDLER who would then go anchor the post for a championship in Dallas that year. O right, ESPN and all the media told BC was ripping Jordan off and he last sec backed out, totally BCs fault there.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:30 AM   #68 (permalink)
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guess noone remembers that trade of Calderon and Reggie Evans for Diaw and...o. TYSON CHANDLER who would then go anchor the post for a championship in Dallas that year. O right, ESPN and all the media told BC was ripping Jordan off and he last sec backed out, totally BCs fault there.
We have to credit him for moves that didn't happen in order to justify him sticking around? How's that Matt Barnes signing doing?
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Old 11-27-2012, 12:25 PM   #69 (permalink)
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what are the keep Colangelo arguments? are there any?
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Old 11-27-2012, 01:47 PM   #70 (permalink)
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what are the keep Colangelo arguments? are there any?
Well... How about having a better replacement ideas? It's not like good GMs are growing on trees, you know. If I am the ownership, I'd want to have a pretty good idea on who might replace Colangelo before getting rid of him.
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Old 11-27-2012, 02:41 PM   #71 (permalink)
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The only argument for keeping Colangelo is that the next GM could be worse.
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The only argument for keeping Colangelo is that the next GM could be worse.
That's sadly a stronger argument than I'd like it to be.
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Old 11-27-2012, 03:00 PM   #73 (permalink)
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That's sadly a stronger argument than I'd like it to be.
Meh, not so much. A monkey throwing his shit against the wall could do just as well.
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Want a truly whacky idea? Offer Phil Jackson the keys to the franchise - let him pick the position, whether GM or head coach or both, give him an ownership stake or whatever - and hope that the greatest of them all has something to prove to the Lakers and the rest of the league.
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Meh, not so much. A monkey throwing his shit against the wall could do just as well.
explain babcock then.
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Old 11-27-2012, 03:09 PM   #76 (permalink)
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explain babcock then.
Was Babcock much worse? lol 7 seasons now and dick all to show for it.
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Old 11-27-2012, 03:15 PM   #77 (permalink)
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Meh, not so much. A monkey throwing his shit against the wall could do just as well.
Yeah, Riiiiiight!
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Old 11-27-2012, 03:56 PM   #78 (permalink)
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My favourite argument is - "find me a replacement who is better".

No offense but it's really silly.

I just find it really hard to believe that people here are up to date on the talent pool for GMs.

I also find it hard to believe there is only 30 capable basketball GMs in the world.

I didn't know who half the GMs were before they became GMs. I still don't know who 1/2 of them are.

Pick a former college player who averaged 5ppg with a limited coaching career as a quiet assistant. That's the next great GM.
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Pick a former college player who averaged 5ppg with a limited coaching career as a quiet assistant. That's the next great GM.
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Old 11-27-2012, 04:06 PM   #80 (permalink)
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Do you have small dick syndrome or something? The Raptors suck ass, and Colangelo has been leading the charge for 7 years now.
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