The Official Fire Brian Colangelo Thread

[TORaptor4Ever]

Originally Posted by MikeToronto

Could we also get a real coach for once in this miserable franchise's existence (and no, a catatonic Lenny Wilkens doesn't count)?

Kerr as GM and Jerry Sloan as HC?

One can only dream....

[Dutches]

Originally Posted by Bargn88

The reason why I hold out on joining the hate on BC is because I actually see a good team on paper that has been plagued by injuries and really bad officiating, not to mention horrible luck.

3-10 team could easily be 6-7 right now.

+1

I think that this team is better than the current results on the court.
Jose is getting too many minutes, and the team is (shockingly) still managing to compete. Bargnani is disinterested and the team is still managing to compete. Yes, we're losing, and we do put ourselves in that position on a nightly basis, but this is not the end of the season. This isn't even 15 games in.

I'm not sure that BC would be fired mid season. They'll likely just not renew his contract (I can't remember if his extension had a team option for a 3rd year).

[BryanColangelo]

[Metallikid]

Originally Posted by Dutches

+1

I think that this team is better than the current results on the court.
Jose is getting too many minutes, and the team is (shockingly) still managing to compete. Bargnani is disinterested and the team is still managing to compete. Yes, we're losing, and we do put ourselves in that position on a nightly basis, but this is not the end of the season. This isn't even 15 games in.

I'm not sure that BC would be fired mid season. They'll likely just not renew his contract (I can't remember if his extension had a team option for a 3rd year).

I love knowing how wrong you are and how bad you'll feel for having thought we still have a half-decent squad after we get pounded by the Spurs and then on the west coast. We'll lose every game but Sac and Pho by at least 10 points, probably 15.

We've put ourselves in a position to compete, but have still lost, against Philly without Bynum twice (once without J-Rich too), the Mavs without Dirk or Marion, Indy without Granger, Detroit, Charlotte and the Jazz (who are good, but we had at least three solid chances to close them out too). And that two of our wins could have easily have been losses were it not for a terrible 4th by Orlando and god-awful shooting by Indy on the last possession. Do you realize how bad that is?

I'd much rather get the trades and firings over with now, develop the young guns better and try to have a shot at a top 3 pick rather than stymying our youth development and putting up a fight so we end up losing our pick no matter what, then blowing it up in the offseason.

[Lakeshow]

You guys are just starting this now???

realgm has a 66 page fire BC thread already. SMH.

[rapsmannn]

wow 4 or 5 games come down to the final play and the Raptors choke it away, not sure if its lowry not being comfortable with other players yet, or bad choices by lowry and derozan in final minutes of game even though andrea is usually the scapegoat

i blame 5 people for our problems, lowry, casey, bargnani, derozan, and Calderon all have made poor decisions that directly affected th win, i don't want to even get into it

what to say if those games turned the Raptors way, we would be singing there praises, no one would be calling for bc's head

so we should fire bc for not knowing how to close games, the guy put the team together its up to the team to finish, its not a talent issue, its a injury issue and bad decisions by certian plays who seem to go into hero ball instead of passing the ball around finding the open man for the easy bucket

by the way casey needs to change the rotation right away

insert klieza, take out mcguire, don't even play mcguire, load demar with heavy minutes, same with ross, they both can play more

splitting the 2/3 minutes between klieza,derozan, and ross

lowry starts majority of hte game, no more allowing Calderon to play games out becuase he is solid player, lowry

andrea needs to come out at the 3 min mark in the 1st quarter come back in earlier in the 2nd quarter like the 8 min mark instead of the 4 minute mark like there doing now which seem crazy, have him play the whole first quarter then we barely see him in the 2nd that doesn't make sense

we need to decide our big rotation, we should have only 3 bigs playing majority of the minutes and having the 4th play spot minutes, davis and amir are to good to be fighting over minutes to play


all i'm saying end of the day, the minutes need to be more consistent, players need to know when there coming in the game, and when there leaving, it just helps calm everyone down about what shots they take,

by the way watching casey basketball is not fun, the games arent' as exciting as they use to be, if only triano and casey can mutate into the same coach, and andrea played like he had a pair, and derozan and lowry quit this hero ball bull shit

[MBailey85]

Originally Posted by rapsmannn

by the way casey needs to change the rotation right away

insert klieza, take out mcguire, don't even play mcguire, load demar with heavy minutes, same with ross, they both can play more

splitting the 2/3 minutes between klieza,derozan, and ross

lowry starts majority of hte game, no more allowing Calderon to play games out becuase he is solid player, lowry

andrea needs to come out at the 3 min mark in the 1st quarter come back in earlier in the 2nd quarter like the 8 min mark instead of the 4 minute mark like there doing now which seem crazy, have him play the whole first quarter then we barely see him in the 2nd that doesn't make sense

we need to decide our big rotation, we should have only 3 bigs playing majority of the minutes and having the 4th play spot minutes, davis and amir are to good to be fighting over minutes to play


all i'm saying end of the day, the minutes need to be more consistent, players need to know when there coming in the game, and when there leaving, it just helps calm everyone down about what shots they take.

I've been saying the bold for a while now. You have to address the players before the management and coaching staff. This roster is built to be only as good as reaching 7th or 8th in th East and that's still very possible. I'll say it again too,bring Bargnani off the bench and start Amir. Give AB starter minutes but him playing against fatigued starters and reserves is a huge advantage. Also the team will already be within the flow of their game so he only has to focus on offense,anything else he will bring is a bonus.

Casey needs to do a hell of a lot better drawing up offensive plays inside the final minute. All I've been seeing is wasted possessions. He also needs to keep Valanciunas on late in the game,I bet you Knight from Detroit wouldn't have got that easy lay up if JV was on the court.

[Metallikid]

Could we have a little more on topic discussion? This isn't Casey's mistakes; this is a thread about firing BC and issues of that ilk.

[MBailey85]

Originally Posted by Metallikid

Could we have a little more on topic discussion? This isn't Casey's mistakes; this is a thread about firing BC and issues of that ilk.

Okay so if ownership decides to fire Bryan Colangelo today,what does that really change,especially on the court? You still have the same players and the same coach. The only thing it may do is increase the probability of trading Andrea Bargnani. Even with that being said its still unknown whether the team will be instantly improved or better in the short run without him. A lot of you same people were ready to extend BC's contract after he traded for Lowry and finished the "preseason" 6-1. Now you all got the axe to his head lol,finicky as f**k!!! How about we evaluate him after the season is done,there's still lots of time to turn things around. The ship won't be righted just by hiring a new President & GM.

[Tran905]

Originally Posted by @BaileysBlitz

Okay so if ownership decides to fire Bryan Colangelo today,what does that really change,especially on the court? You still have the same players and the same coach. The only thing it may do is increase the probability of trading Andrea Bargnani. Even with that being said its still unknown whether the team will be instantly improved or better in the short run without him. A lot of you same people were ready to extend BC's contract after he traded for Lowry and finished the "preseason" 6-1. Now you all got thet axe to his head lol,finicky as f**k!!! How about we evaluate him after the season is done,there's still lots of time to turn things around. The ship won't be righted just by hiring a new President & GM.

+1

Calm down people!

So if we closed out those 3 or 4 games in the 4th quarter and got the Ws, this thread wouldn't exist. This is all hardly BCs fault. Terrible coaching and no execution.

[Metallikid]

I know it won't happen until we get a few more losses, but we're losing against teams with players missing, poor offensive teams, and some just plain bad teams. And we're barely just pulling out our wins and we only secure it late in the game.

I would rather they admit the mistake sooner and focus on trading veterans and expiring for picks and young players and actually give a go for a top 3 pick while developing our younger talent than waiting and winning those extra couple of games that make us 12th in the conference and have to give the 6th pick to the Thunder. If we can trade some combination of guys for a couple top ten picks and a young guy or two while giving us a real shot at a top 3 pick, why not go for it? We might actually have a great team in two or three seasons that way.

[halphbreedballer]

Originally Posted by rapsmannn

wow 4 or 5 games come down to the final play and the Raptors choke it away, not sure if its lowry not being comfortable with other players yet, or bad choices by lowry and derozan in final minutes of game even though andrea is usually the scapegoat

i blame 5 people for our problems, lowry, casey, bargnani, derozan, and Calderon all have made poor decisions that directly affected th win, i don't want to even get into it

what to say if those games turned the Raptors way, we would be singing there praises, no one would be calling for bc's head

so we should fire bc for not knowing how to close games, the guy put the team together its up to the team to finish, its not a talent issue, its a injury issue and bad decisions by certian plays who seem to go into hero ball instead of passing the ball around finding the open man for the easy bucket

by the way casey needs to change the rotation right away

insert klieza, take out mcguire, don't even play mcguire, load demar with heavy minutes, same with ross, they both can play more

splitting the 2/3 minutes between klieza,derozan, and ross

lowry starts majority of hte game, no more allowing Calderon to play games out becuase he is solid player, lowry

andrea needs to come out at the 3 min mark in the 1st quarter come back in earlier in the 2nd quarter like the 8 min mark instead of the 4 minute mark like there doing now which seem crazy, have him play the whole first quarter then we barely see him in the 2nd that doesn't make sense

we need to decide our big rotation, we should have only 3 bigs playing majority of the minutes and having the 4th play spot minutes, davis and amir are to good to be fighting over minutes to play


all i'm saying end of the day, the minutes need to be more consistent, players need to know when there coming in the game, and when there leaving, it just helps calm everyone down about what shots they take,

by the way watching casey basketball is not fun, the games arent' as exciting as they use to be, if only triano and casey can mutate into the same coach, and andrea played like he had a pair, and derozan and lowry quit this hero ball bull shit

very good assesment, good job!
i Hope BC Is Reading This!

[Carlito]

Originally Posted by carp

casey is getting outcoached, not Bryan

BC hired him ...

[bjjs]

Originally Posted by Carlito

BC hired him ...

and Triano....

Forcing a coach's rotations isn't going to put you in the good graces of the coaching elite. His choices are likely limited.


And i just want to take this opportunity to proclaim myself as the leader of the fire BC movement.

[Chiggmo]

Originally Posted by Metallikid

I know it won't happen until we get a few more losses, but we're losing against teams with players missing, poor offensive teams, and some just plain bad teams. And we're barely just pulling out our wins and we only secure it late in the game.

I would rather they admit the mistake sooner and focus on trading veterans and expiring for picks and young players and actually give a go for a top 3 pick while developing our younger talent than waiting and winning those extra couple of games that make us 12th in the conference and have to give the 6th pick to the Thunder. If we can trade some combination of guys for a couple top ten picks and a young guy or two while giving us a real shot at a top 3 pick, why not go for it? We might actually have a great team in two or three seasons that way.

We had our chance an our window to do that, its long gone.

[LJkAze]

by the way watching casey basketball is not fun, the games arent' as exciting as they use to be, if only triano and casey can mutate into the same coach, and andrea played like he had a pair, and derozan and lowry quit this hero ball bull shit

Should of hire triano as assistant coach for offense and casey as defensive head coach.

[carp]

Originally Posted by Carlito

BC hired him ...

Yeah, but I'm not sure it's not a correctable issue. We've seen Casey perform better and for that he deserves patience. His 4th Q management this season has been abysmal. If Colangelo gets fired, it's because of Laundry stinking up the house.... there were so many better, cheaper, did I say better, options available and it seems like the Lowry deal was there earlier as well.....

I wanted Nash too, but he needed to fully evaluate his options and foolishly chasing that dud in order to 'better' our chances at Nash was the move of a panicked GM. The guy came off an attrocious year. He sucks. Glue guy? Pffft.

I think Casey just needs to stop forcing DD on us and unleash a few more Jova punches in bunches. Allow AB to impose his will and start earning his pay. DD can get his off of AB and Lowry.... then we might actually see him jumping over guys and not under.

[Ball Don't Lie]

Originally Posted by bjjs

and Triano....

Forcing a coach's rotations isn't going to put you in the good graces of the coaching elite. His choices are likely limited.


And i just want to take this opportunity to proclaim myself as the leader of the fire BC movement.

You can be the co-chair.

So if we closed out those 3 or 4 games in the 4th quarter and got the Ws, this thread wouldn't exist. This is all hardly BCs fault. Terrible coaching and no execution.

Actually I was going to make this in the offseason after the Fields signing but got lazy. I was looking for a previous fire BC thread I made last year and couldnt find it, thus making this one. I've been on this bandwagon for a few years, basically since the Turk signing.

[carp]

the turk signing wasn't terrible, but how they allowed him to come in on his own terms was awful. The Landry signing, is maybe the worst signing in the league over the last 10 years.

[LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!!]

Originally Posted by carp

the turk signing wasn't terrible, but how they allowed him to come in on his own terms was awful. The Landry signing, is maybe the worst signing in the league over the last 10 years.

yes, signing a guy who was over 30, his d relied on dh12 and he had to be paired with a non-traditional pg, needing the ball to be in his hands for a lot of time was not terrible.

with bc on board I'm surprised landry didn't get a 4th year.

Also,