The Official Fire Brian Colangelo Thread - Page 13
Old 04-24-2013, 05:16 PM   #241 (permalink)
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Well, instead of whining like a little whelp, you might want to look at that list and understand what it really means. Colangelo has made some seriously good moves, and he has also bounced back after failed gambles, in ways a lot of other GM's may not have been able to. He isn't a god, but he isn't bad.

All that list does is show how difficult it is to sign top FA talent in this city. It's funny, a lot of guys are allowed to have bad luck. just not here. Its normal for fans to get angry and bitch, thats your right. What isn't normal, well, not for me at least, is for this to extend past the anger provoked by a game I might be watching at the time.

When you cry and whine because your team, like 60% of the league, can't build a powerhouse, or hasn't yet, you show that you aren't yet ready to leave your mama's teet yet. Grow a set. Get over it.

I have yet to read an intelligently written post about how, or what this team should, or could have done (even with hindsight) to create a winner here.

Bryan colangelo didn't trade Bargnani, he gambled and it was a failure. For that, and only for that would I fire him. If thats your argument then really, it doesn't require 200000 posts to say it.
Not that you need my affirmation but I agree with this post - quite a bit.
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Old 04-24-2013, 05:20 PM   #242 (permalink)
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He has failed - he needs to be fired to make right past wrongs. Despite this - he has built a nice young team and I think we would have some very capable executives eager for the opportunity to be a manager here.
Could you not contradict yourself any more in the same paragraph? Personally I agree with the last comment, should he not get to see this through this coming year? Not like the task in Raptortown is an easy one.
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Old 04-24-2013, 05:50 PM   #243 (permalink)
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The list of garbage players shows how bad Colangelo's judgment is more than anything else. Please don't tell me that Steve Blake would simply refuse to come here so we had to sign Will Solomon out of desperation. It's just not true. He loves taking chances on players that he thinks will blossom with bigger roles than they've been given elsewhere. It's been a very bad thing in the past. But that impulse has been curbed recently, thankfully. And I think decisions are probably made by a more reliable group rather than just yes men under Bryan's wings. And it's possible that he could operate quite differently under new management.

In the long term I would favor seeing him gone unless some real momentum builds and a culture change takes root. For now, as long as Bargnani is gone pronto, I can get my Primo face on for one last short run. If he keeps sweating like he did the other day, then I will feel more comfortable. He really does have a new kind of job to perform under new ownership, I have to think (unless ownership really has little interest in the basketball side of things), and using some different muscles could reveal some verifiable GM skills that we have yet to really see on display here.
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Old 04-24-2013, 05:54 PM   #244 (permalink)
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Exactly. He wants to be known as the GM who picked up a guy, that 29 other teams turned down, who goes on to be a impact starter or more. It hurts the team.

Anyone know where there's a list of players that BC has brought in since he started his reign?
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Old 04-24-2013, 06:54 PM   #245 (permalink)
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that list... 90% of those players arent in the nba
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Old 04-24-2013, 07:04 PM   #246 (permalink)
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I'm not the biggest fan of BC's but I do love how posters blow smoke around like they know what goes on behind the scenes and the reasons for certain moves and how much better they or other team's GMs could be than BC. No one here has a clue, no insider to the boardroom, no best friend that's a GM, etc etc blah blah.
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:42 PM   #247 (permalink)
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The list of garbage players shows how bad Colangelo's judgment is more than anything else. Please don't tell me that Steve Blake would simply refuse to come here so we had to sign Will Solomon out of desperation.
I doubt steve blake was willing to play for the minimum salary
at that price point, your options are very limited, solomon at least had some experience overseas. If you're a contender, you may get some old veterans to play for the minimum for you, for teams like us, it's d-league or overseas and even there, you're loooking 2nd and 3rd tier.
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Old 04-24-2013, 08:51 PM   #248 (permalink)
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Another nice snippet from RGM:

BCs unrestricted FA signings since 2006


2006

Uros Slokar
Anthony Parker
Jorge Garbajosa
Fred Jones
Ken Johnson

2007

Jamario Moon
Luke Jackson
Jason Kapono
Maceo Baston

2008

Roko Ukic
Hassan Adams
Will Solomon
Jake Voskuhl

2009

Pops Mensah-Bonsu
Quincy Douby
Jarrett Jack
Rasho Nesterovic
Hedo Turkoglu

2010

Joey Dorsey
Linas Kleiza
Ronald Dupree

2011

Jamaal Magloire
Aaron Gray
Anthony Carter
Gary Forbes

2012

Rasual Butler
Alan Anderson
Ben Uzoh
Landry Fields
John Lucas
Dominic McGuire
Mickael Pietrus


Totally worth another year.
dude, half the players on this list were signed on 10-day contracts, way to prove your point. Those were nothing more than short-term tryouts or injury replacements.

the real free agent signings are:
2006

Anthony Parker
Jorge Garbajosa

2007

Jason Kapono

2008


2009

Jarrett Jack
Hedo Turkoglu

2010

Linas Kleiza

2011


2012

Landry Fields



garbajosa and kleiza were hit by major injuries so it's pointless to discuss what might have been, which leaves parker, kapono, jack, turkoglu and fields. We've also never really had any cap space until Bosh left and that the year we did have some cap space, the best available players were guys like gordon, villanueva, marion and turk.
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What?

Please sign me up for more of your Revisionist History 101 classes moremilk.


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What?

Please sign me up for more of your Revisionist History 101 classes moremilk.

no he's right, Slokar was a second round pick.

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I doubt steve blake was willing to play for the minimum salary
at that price point, your options are very limited, solomon at least had some experience overseas. If you're a contender, you may get some old veterans to play for the minimum for you, for teams like us, it's d-league or overseas and even there, you're loooking 2nd and 3rd tier.
So your saying that huge unwarranted contracts had to be handed out to Jose and Andrea, thereby limiting our options to fill an essential position such as back up point guard with anyone worthy of a 3 mill contract? Yeah, that happens to teams like us with GMs that wing it most of the time.
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So your saying that huge unwarranted contracts had to be handed out to Jose and Andrea, thereby limiting our options to fill an essential position such as back up point guard with anyone worthy of a 3 mill contract? Yeah, that happens to teams like us with GMs that wing it most of the time.
and to Demar, when we already had Landry locked up.
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IMO they should Let him finish his job before throwing him off a cliff. New GM would have his hands tied anyway, so give BC one more year to finish and than decide..
Having said that I wouldn't get sad if he is fired this year
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IMO they should Let him finish his job before throwing him off a cliff. New GM would have his hands tied anyway, so give BC one more year to finish and than decide..
Having said that I wouldn't get sad if he is fired this year
What about......Phil Jackson?

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"I've had some talks with people and there are some interesting situations that are presenting themselves, but I really haven't made up my mind yet what I'm going to do," said Jackson. "None of it involves coaching. ... There are three or four teams that have been interested."

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Jackson said he would be interested in a developing team "where you'd have the influence in (selecting the) coaching staff and the kind of culture that goes along with it. It goes all the way down to - not down to, but includes - trainers and the people who are doing the hands-on work with players, that have to be really embedded with how you put a team together. ... The support group is important; guys who get an opportunity to hear and talk and influence the players.

"It would be a real opportunity to implant the game, a culture that I believe in - that's the intriguing part."
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Absolutely! is it likely to happen though? ( i don't think so..) As I said I don't mind BC leaving, as long as we find a good replacement. Don't really want him to get fired just for the sake of firing him and give Gm's chair to Stefanski
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and to Demar, when we already had Landry locked up.
although BC isnt the best with contracts, the demar extension was a good one. demar would fetch around 11-12 million a year on the market right now, and we might be poison pilled if we hadnt extended him.
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Absolutely! is it likely to happen though? ( i don't think so..) As I said I don't mind BC leaving, as long as we find a good replacement. Don't really want him to get fired just for the sake of firing him and give Gm's chair to Stefanski
agreed. no need to get get rid of him unless we are seious about bringing real top notch GM talent in
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agreed. no need to get get rid of him unless we are seious about bringing real top notch GM talent in
which is not too likely (imo) given our cap situation
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Absolutely! is it likely to happen though? ( i don't think so..) As I said I don't mind BC leaving, as long as we find a good replacement. Don't really want him to get fired just for the sake of firing him and give Gm's chair to Stefanski
If they can BC they should also can Stefanski and bring in totally fresh viewpoints. Casey too.

There won't be any shortages of good candidates for GM or coach.
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which is not too likely (imo) given our cap situation
I think if MLSE spends we can have a top notch GM here. BC as much as we hate him has gotten talent here, and if MLSE says theyll be willing to spend say the MLE and or more exceptions this summer for the bench, with an already talented starting unit, most GMs wouldnt mind the situation. our starting five is in high regard in the league believe it or not, and the stats back that up.

MLSE just has to pay the wages is all
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