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Old 02-27-2013, 10:48 PM   #221 (permalink)
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BC won't be fired this summer unless gay busts, which he has shown not to so far.
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Old 02-27-2013, 10:49 PM   #222 (permalink)
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BC won't be fired this summer unless gay busts, which he has shown not to so far.
i sadly agree, unless we go on a 20 game losing streak
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Old 02-28-2013, 11:08 AM   #223 (permalink)
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dump the pick an lets move on
As if we would have any choice (but perhaps we get really fortunate and win a top 1-3 place, in what is thought to be a shitty draft....)

BC has to go, i will not even begin to list all the things that has gone wrong and could have be done better, but the results speak for themselves:

7 years, 2 playoff appearences but worst, we are almost in tax-area and are not able to make the playoffs? Are you kidding me?

As the team is set now, barring a stellar progression from some of our players (Lowry back to his Houston-game, Ross develops into an All-star, JV develops into an All-star) whick BC is guting right now successful, we will be a treadmill for years to come.
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:15 PM   #224 (permalink)
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The thread title should be changed to 'tank so BC doesn't get extended'. I honestly hope we continue to lose games so he wont be able to poison this franchise for another season. Who cares if OKC gets a higher pick because of it? Its a weak draft and theyre in a different conference anyway. We need to worry about our own team, and we're not going to get better with this idiot leading us.

TANK NATION SHOULD BE BACK AND STRONGER THAN EVER. TANKING=NO MORE BC, OR CASEY
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Old 03-05-2013, 02:21 PM   #225 (permalink)
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The thread title should be changed to 'tank so BC doesn't get extended'. I honestly hope we continue to lose games so he wont be able to poison this franchise for another season. Who cares if OKC gets a higher pick because of it? Its a weak draft and theyre in a different conference anyway. We need to worry about our own team, and we're not going to get better with this idiot leading us.

TANK NATION SHOULD BE BACK AND STRONGER THAN EVER. TANKING=NO MORE BC, OR CASEY
2 years ago when deciding on extending him,the common thought was " let's give Colangelo a couple more years to see what he can do and finish what he started". Well,much hasn't changed results wise since then and the franchise seems to be a bit stagnant so I can't buy that same argument. Personally,I can be more patient through a rebuild(slightly or not) with a new voice,face and vision but not the same GM/Prez who's been year for 7 years already.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:11 PM   #226 (permalink)
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From RGM:



Hilarious.

This thread needs to be stickied btw. Our boards focus has been off lately.
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Old 03-28-2013, 01:18 PM   #227 (permalink)
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2 years ago when deciding on extending him,the common thought was " let's give Colangelo a couple more years to see what he can do and finish what he started". Well,much hasn't changed results wise since then and the franchise seems to be a bit stagnant so I can't buy that same argument. Personally,I can be more patient through a rebuild(slightly or not) with a new voice,face and vision but not the same GM/Prez who's been year for 7 years already.
JV is the change. He made a tremendous pick and hopefully Ross becomes a player too. But Colangelo needs to not get so stuck on his players. The same thing that happened with Bargnani is happening with DeRozan. We've got to not allow a culture of neglecting the defensive side in trying to fabricate offensive weapons. Feed JV, this ship can be turned around. Play inside out, stop the chucking. It's such a gross style.
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Old 03-28-2013, 03:54 PM   #228 (permalink)
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2 years ago when deciding on extending him,the common thought was " let's give Colangelo a couple more years to see what he can do and finish what he started". Well,much hasn't changed results wise since then and the franchise seems to be a bit stagnant so I can't buy that same argument. Personally,I can be more patient through a rebuild(slightly or not) with a new voice,face and vision but not the same GM/Prez who's been year for 7 years already.
Couple years ago I was on board to keep BC around a couple more years - looked like the team could head in the right direction, but since then nothing has improved.

Our winning percentage this season will be the same (or close to last years).

-We have very little (if any) cap space available to make any major improvements to this team in the next couple years.
-No draft pick this season.
-Log jam at the 2 / 3 positions
-No 2nd PG option, very little backup big options (unless AB comes back as an all-star - hahaha)
-An inexperienced coach who is unable to guide this team
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Old 04-24-2013, 01:14 PM   #229 (permalink)
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Another nice snippet from RGM:

BCs unrestricted FA signings since 2006


2006

Uros Slokar
Anthony Parker
Jorge Garbajosa
Fred Jones
Ken Johnson

2007

Jamario Moon
Luke Jackson
Jason Kapono
Maceo Baston

2008

Roko Ukic
Hassan Adams
Will Solomon
Jake Voskuhl

2009

Pops Mensah-Bonsu
Quincy Douby
Jarrett Jack
Rasho Nesterovic
Hedo Turkoglu

2010

Joey Dorsey
Linas Kleiza
Ronald Dupree

2011

Jamaal Magloire
Aaron Gray
Anthony Carter
Gary Forbes

2012

Rasual Butler
Alan Anderson
Ben Uzoh
Landry Fields
John Lucas
Dominic McGuire
Mickael Pietrus


Totally worth another year.
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Old 04-24-2013, 01:44 PM   #230 (permalink)
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Another nice snippet from RGM:

BCs unrestricted FA signings since 2006


2006

Uros Slokar
Anthony Parker
Jorge Garbajosa
Fred Jones
Ken Johnson

2007

Jamario Moon
Luke Jackson
Jason Kapono
Maceo Baston

2008

Roko Ukic
Hassan Adams
Will Solomon
Jake Voskuhl

2009

Pops Mensah-Bonsu
Quincy Douby
Jarrett Jack
Rasho Nesterovic
Hedo Turkoglu

2010

Joey Dorsey
Linas Kleiza
Ronald Dupree

2011

Jamaal Magloire
Aaron Gray
Anthony Carter
Gary Forbes

2012

Rasual Butler
Alan Anderson
Ben Uzoh
Landry Fields
John Lucas
Dominic McGuire
Mickael Pietrus


Totally worth another year.
Well, instead of whining like a little whelp, you might want to look at that list and understand what it really means. Colangelo has made some seriously good moves, and he has also bounced back after failed gambles, in ways a lot of other GM's may not have been able to. He isn't a god, but he isn't bad.

All that list does is show how difficult it is to sign top FA talent in this city. It's funny, a lot of guys are allowed to have bad luck. just not here. Its normal for fans to get angry and bitch, thats your right. What isn't normal, well, not for me at least, is for this to extend past the anger provoked by a game I might be watching at the time.

When you cry and whine because your team, like 60% of the league, can't build a powerhouse, or hasn't yet, you show that you aren't yet ready to leave your mama's teet yet. Grow a set. Get over it.

I have yet to read an intelligently written post about how, or what this team should, or could have done (even with hindsight) to create a winner here.

Bryan colangelo didn't trade Bargnani, he gambled and it was a failure. For that, and only for that would I fire him. If thats your argument then really, it doesn't require 200000 posts to say it.
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Old 04-24-2013, 01:48 PM   #231 (permalink)
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Perhaps look up a list of BC's signings while with the Suns.
You might be surprised...
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Old 04-24-2013, 02:01 PM   #232 (permalink)
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Bryan colangelo didn't trade Bargnani, he gambled and it was a failure. For that, and only for that would I fire him. If thats your argument then really, it doesn't require 200000 posts to say it.
Not only did he not trade him - he forced him into the starting lineup, he marketed the shit out of him stubbornly refusing to believe he wasn't a good basketball player.

He was so wildly off the mark with Bargnani - and yet he stuck with it. His stubborness to see Bargs for who he is, is an obvious character flaw.

His past resume was working for his dad - so I take any small successes there with a grain of salt, but nonetheless his tenure with the Raps makes his past experience all irrelevant at this point.

He has failed - he needs to be fired to make right past wrongs. Despite this - he has built a nice young team and I think we would have some very capable executives eager for the opportunity to be a manager here.
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Old 04-24-2013, 02:07 PM   #233 (permalink)
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The Suns are the Suns.

Toronto is Toronto.

I don't give a shit who he signed there. It isn't admissible in this conversation Zan, how can it be.

Again, BC is NOT a god, I wouldnt cry if he were fired. I think its a bad idea for the franchise to change right now for other reasons, mostly, so it can shed the laughing stock rep it has. He hung onto Bargnani too long. He isn't the only one that saw, and see's the unbelievable talent there.... it was a gamble he had to take to try to mine the drive he thought might be in there somewhere. So many of those signings are due to three factors.... trying to find a synergy for Bosh, Bargnani and another player, trying to rebound from the loss of Bosh, and lastly, trying to rebuild in a league that is full of players that would rather not sign in Toronto, some because the team sucks, and many, simply because they refuse to play in Canada.

Could another GM have found another solution? Sure, I guess its possible, but who knows. Usually, a shake up is what a franchise needs, and its a serious thing for a franchise. But this is Toronto, a franchise that has seen these shake ups from its ownership destroy the teams ability to grow for YEARS. Unfortunately, for this current group, this is NOT a viable option for growth as assuming another GM would come in and magically fix this team as it stands now is a MAJOR assumption. Keeping some stability for the players here, and for those maybe coming, is NEVER a bad thing.

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Old 04-24-2013, 02:15 PM   #234 (permalink)
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He has failed - he needs to be fired to make right past wrongs. Despite this - he has built a nice young team and I think we would have some very capable executives eager for the opportunity to be a manager here.
Dude.

Enough.

You don't, can't and never would fire a guy for a mistake like that, especially if he has had a history of fixing mistakes. Bargnani was a tough situation. There may be more we don't know about the guy, who knows.

Meh. I am not emotional on these matters, likely due to age. Change for the sake of change right now isn't prudent. EVERY big player we have had has pointed to the constant change in both management and coaching as a big part of why they chose to leave. You have a very decent group of very young player that NEED stability, guidance, and structure. They have seemingly turned a corner this year, losing a lot of close games, beating the best teams (not just at the end either), and bouncing back from a very horrible start. thats growth. The young guys are BC's picks. The stars are his trades, and the guys like anderson, amir, gray (a very serviceable back up/hard fouling/screening guy) are his signings. That alone commands respect.

You don't like his gamble with Bargnani, tough. I bet if you asked a guy like Lowry, if he liked that his GM was the type to give his players his trust and confidence when they wavered....his answer would be yes. It's not as black and white as you think.
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Well, instead of whining like a little whelp, you might want to look at that list and understand what it really means. Colangelo has made some seriously good moves, and he has also bounced back after failed gambles, in ways a lot of other GM's may not have been able to. He isn't a god, but he isn't bad.

All that list does is show how difficult it is to sign top FA talent in this city. It's funny, a lot of guys are allowed to have bad luck. just not here. Its normal for fans to get angry and bitch, thats your right. What isn't normal, well, not for me at least, is for this to extend past the anger provoked by a game I might be watching at the time.

When you cry and whine because your team, like 60% of the league, can't build a powerhouse, or hasn't yet, you show that you aren't yet ready to leave your mama's teet yet. Grow a set. Get over it.

I have yet to read an intelligently written post about how, or what this team should, or could have done (even with hindsight) to create a winner here.


Bryan colangelo didn't trade Bargnani, he gambled and it was a failure. For that, and only for that would I fire him. If thats your argument then really, it doesn't require 200000 posts to say it.

I would like you to tell me the following:

1. What seriously good moves has BC made that have positively impacted winning, and us becoming a successful basketball team?

2. Why isn't he a bad GM? Isn't a good GM supposed to build a winning team with a positive future?

3. Grow a set? Get over it? Get over what? Not being in the playoffs 5 straight seasons and holding the guy in charge accountable? Is that unreasonable to you? What world are you living in? Maybe you should be the one who grows a pair and realize he's done an awful job, and begin to question why you support a GM who has had a horrible tenure here.

4. Do you seriously expect posters to write a post detailing all of the moves BC should have made to make us a good team over the last 7 years? What does that do seeing as every scenario is unlikely for multiple reasons? What is this fantasy land? That's his fucking job. He's failed at it. Realize it. If you want stupid suggestions by fans on how to build our team go into the trade suggestions thread.

5. My only argument? Look at his 7 year history. Take the blinders off. He's been a horrible GM, everyone seems to see that but you. If you enjoy being the new Clippers of the NBA, by all means, keep the blinders on and keep posting this bullshit. Some of us would actually like to see our team succeed sometime in the near future, and we're not going to do that, based off of the last 7 years, with this buffoon at the helm.
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Old 04-24-2013, 02:16 PM   #236 (permalink)
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I've said my piece. You're an angry and young fan. You'll learn the game at some point.
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Old 04-24-2013, 02:20 PM   #237 (permalink)
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Solid response. Thank you for enlightening me as to why BC has succeeded in his tenure with Toronto. He's done a great job, and built a winning team and culture over the past 7 seasons. Organic growth SJ. One day I hope to be as wise and enjoy winning less than 35 games every season as much as you. BC clearly commands respect with his fantastic finds and signings of players who helped us win 34 games this season. Credit to him.
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dude, i just typed two big posts, both that are full of decent information. I am not here to write a fucking book for you, aint' my job. I know what I know, you can know what you do. I am happy with my past experiences, and what they taught me about the game, and about pro sports in general. If you think yours are better, thats cool, confidence is good. Just understand one thing, learning to read, comprehend and reflect is on you, you can either choose to do so, or not.

Don't take your anger out on me bud. I said what i wanted to say, and if you didnt' get it all, I assume responsibility for being unable, or unwilling to spell it all out. My bad.

But I'm not going to, so, sorry, not my job.
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Solid response. Thank you for enlightening me as to why BC has succeeded in his tenure with Toronto. He's done a great job, and built a winning team and culture over the past 7 seasons. Organic growth SJ. One day I hope to be as wise and enjoy winning less than 35 games every season as much as you. BC clearly commands respect with his fantastic finds and signings of players who helped us win 34 games this season. Credit to him.

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I take back an civility I sent your way on the other thread you punk ass bitch.

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