Official Draft Thread: Toronto Raptors pick 20th, 37th, 59th - Page 8
Old 06-12-2014, 02:35 PM   #141 (permalink)
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Meh on the vet players. We've got Chuck Hayes, Amir Johnson, Steve Novak under contract and they have a combined 26 years experience in the NBA. Add in Lowry when he re-signs (another 8 years experience) and there's plenty of vet presence. Plus, most of our young guys are pretty experienced as well - DD, Fields, Vasquez and Patterson all have 4-5 years experience.

You're looking at Ross and JV, then our three draft picks. Odds are one gets stashed, so two rookies. Does it really matter whether they are 20 or 23? I'd rather a high upside guy who's 20 than someone who's topped out at 23 already - neither is going to impact the "experience" level of the team overall.
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That's a valid point. I'm wondering what vet MU is targeting for the team. He was clear he wanted one....an NBA one or an overseas one? Is a vet a vet in this case or NBA specific?
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Any chance we could move into the top 10? Any possible scenarios where we could snatch a higher pick? I think after the first dozen or so it's a crapshoot, whereas a pick in the top 10 would almost certainly net us something solid for the future.
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Meh on the vet players. We've got Chuck Hayes, Amir Johnson, Steve Novak under contract and they have a combined 26 years experience in the NBA. Add in Lowry when he re-signs (another 8 years experience) and there's plenty of vet presence. Plus, most of our young guys are pretty experienced as well - DD, Fields, Vasquez and Patterson all have 4-5 years experience.

You're looking at Ross and JV, then our three draft picks. Odds are one gets stashed, so two rookies. Does it really matter whether they are 20 or 23? I'd rather a high upside guy who's 20 than someone who's topped out at 23 already - neither is going to impact the "experience" level of the team overall.
I'd like to add a vet that has the experience of playing in the NBA finals, not just riding pine.

Plus, there's likely a chance that some of Hayes,Novak,Amir & Fields might be in a trade.

There's experience and then there's "Experience"
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Any chance we could move into the top 10? Any possible scenarios where we could snatch a higher pick? I think after the first dozen or so it's a crapshoot, whereas a pick in the top 10 would almost certainly net us something solid for the future.
I see the exact opposite. There's a lot of parity from about 8 on down to 25 in this draft. I'd rather not give up assets to move up unless a very talented player slips, or we can get into the top 6 or 7. I suspect if we wanted to move into that region, we're looking at moving DD. Not much else in way of assets that other teams would want. Unless you are willing to give up JV, and I'm not.
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I'd like to add a vet that has the experience of playing in the NBA finals, not just riding pine.

Plus, there's likely a chance that some of Hayes,Novak,Amir & Fields might be in a trade.

There's experience and then there's "Experience"
That's exactly the sort of experience this team would need if they were anywhere near talented enough to sniff the finals. Until the talent is there, I don't give a crap about finals experience.
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Old 06-13-2014, 04:15 PM   #147 (permalink)
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I'd rather a high upside guy who's 20 than someone who's topped out at 23 already - neither is going to impact the "experience" level of the team overall.
I really never look hard on Capela until now so let's compare.

A Payne = 23 years old, can shoot 3's, good on FT's, can shoot perimeter j's, 50.3% total FG's, little upside, finish product, health issue

C Capela = 20 years old, can't shoot 3's, 45.5% Ft's, poor jump shooter, high upside, very raw. FG's around the rim 71.8% mostly dunks and alley's. In 3 years time I don't think he can shoot 3's any closer to Payne 3's shooting ability but he can be a better rebounder and shot blocker.

Some people comparing Payne to Charlie V while Capela can be a DeAndre Jordan type of a player

True, neither will not impact team experience level but Payne can help the team now.

Via Dan Tolzman interview it seems like Raptors are considering Capela, what really bother's me about him is his FT's shooting.

Shaq, Howard, DA Jordan and Drummond all cannot shoot FT's. So I get what you saying.

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Old 06-16-2014, 06:19 PM   #148 (permalink)
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Porzingis and Inglis just withdrew from the draft. Drat.

So my ideal picks at 20 and 37 each shrink by a name.

20: Ennis, Payton, Capela, McDaniels
37: Tavares, Dinwiddie, Daniels
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Oh, yeah and Stokes as a fallback at 37 if the rest are gone.
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Old 06-16-2014, 06:55 PM   #150 (permalink)
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Porzingis and Inglis just withdrew from the draft. Drat.

So my ideal picks at 20 and 37 each shrink by a name.

20: Ennis, Payton, Capela, McDaniels
37: Tavares, Dinwiddie, Daniels
Bummer. Inglis was really really interesting.
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Bummer. Inglis was really really interesting.
Well, I was worried about him declaring too young. Another year in Europe with more playing time is a good thing for him in my opinion. On the other hand I'm a little disappointed too because he was a credible option for the Raptors at 37.

Either way, he can still declare next year, right? I have no doubt he will be an NBA player soon enough.

Edit: It seems that Inglis will stay in the 2014 draft after all according to Jonathan Givony's (draft express) twitter: "Breaking news: Damien Inglis changed his mind and decided to keep his name IN the draft finally, according to his agent"

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Well, I was worried about him declaring too young. Another year in Europe with more playing time is a good thing for him in my opinion. On the other hand I'm a little disappointed too because he was a credible option for the Raptors at 37.

Either way, he can still declare next year, right? I have no doubt he will be an NBA player soon enough.

Edit: It seems that Inglis will stay in the 2014 draft after all according to Jonathan Givony's (draft express) twitter: "Breaking news: Damien Inglis changed his mind and decided to keep his name IN the draft finally, according to his agent"
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Well, I was worried about him declaring too young. Another year in Europe with more playing time is a good thing for him in my opinion. On the other hand I'm a little disappointed too because he was a credible option for the Raptors at 37.

Either way, he can still declare next year, right? I have no doubt he will be an NBA player soon enough.

Edit: It seems that Inglis will stay in the 2014 draft after all according to Jonathan Givony's (draft express) twitter: "Breaking news: Damien Inglis changed his mind and decided to keep his name IN the draft finally, according to his agent"
Wonder who gave him a promise?
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Wonder who gave him a promise?
I don't know where he got workouts but with his "bluff" move I wouldn't be surprised to see him move up to the first round.
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I don't know where he got workouts but with his "bluff" move I wouldn't be surprised to see him move up to the first round.
Threatening to drop out gets you a better position in the draft? I don't know anything about Inglis but he seems intriguing.

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Threatening to drop out gets you a better position in the draft? I don't know anything about Inglis but he seems intriguing.
From NBAdraft.net 6'9" 240lb 7'3" wingspan

Strengths: He has an astonishing combination of size, physical skills, length and speed ... He’s already well developed from the muscular standpoint, especially in the upper body, with long arms and strong hands ... His solid body structure allows him to effectively withstand contact, and to attack the basket without struggles even at senior level, plus he has shown the ability to exploit his size by posting up smaller and weaker opponents ... He has remarkable passing skills and ball handling abilities … He tends to switch to the PG position on offense, exploiting his ability to beat his direct defender to create for himself and his teammates ... He loves to attack the basket in ISO situations, exploiting his physical skills and his speed, with a slashing style of game ... He plays with energy and intensity giving an effective contribution in various aspects of the game, he’s also a good rebounder for his position ... On the defensive side he puts great pressure exploiting his body and quick hands.
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Threatening to drop out gets you a better position in the draft? I don't know anything about Inglis but he seems intriguing.
Not really threatening, but just testing the water. Saying that you opt out and wait for the phone to ring to see what your opportunities actually are.

Not sure if he would have stayed in the draft unless someone guaranteed him a first round contract.
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Not really threatening, but just testing the water. Saying that you opt out and wait for the phone to ring to see what your opportunities actually are.

Not sure if he would have stayed in the draft unless someone guaranteed him a first round contract.
I doubt he goes first round
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I doubt he goes first round
Probably not, but it would be a Spurs type of pick and stash. They been doing it for ages.
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I doubt he goes first round
Only reason to change his mind and re declare would be if he got a promise from someone. I'd bet he's gone before the second round.
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