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Old 05-30-2014, 04:17 PM   #81 (permalink)
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So do I at this point. He is a little like patterson though isn't he?
in terms of his shot yea, but his size and athleticism is totally different.. maybe DeAndre Jordan type?
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in terms of his shot yea, but his size and athleticism is totally different.. maybe DeAndre Jordan type?
Similar size and dimensions to Jordan or Favors when they came out for sure....I see him more as Favors in terms of athleticism though either is pretty good for that height and wingspan.

Edit....I didn't realize that 2Pat was 6'8" barefoot with a 7'1.25" wingspan and 240 when drafted. He might be a touch shorter than Payne but athletically Patterson is fairly mobile and quick, no?

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Today's workout: Russ Smith (PG), Nick Johnson (SG), Jordan Clarkson (PG), Jahii Carson (PG), Javon McCrea (PF), Sam Dower (C)

Smith: Small PG (under 6 ft), athletic, very good 3 point shooter, gets to the line, not great passer (about 2:1 AST:TO, which is not very good). Projected at 49. 23 years old.

Johnson: Undersized SG (6'3"), very athletic, solid 3 point shooter, gets to the line, below average rebounder. Projected at 52. 21 years old.

Clarkson: Average size for a PG, very athletic, poor shooter, gets to the line and converts at a good rate, rebounds well for a PG, poor facilitator (almost a 1:1 AST:TO). Projected at 45. 21 years old.

Carson: Undersized PG (5'10"), extremely athletic (max vert 43.5"), very good shooter (almost 40% from 3 on 3 attempts per game), gets to the line a lot (almost 7 attempts a game), rebounds well for a guard, not a great passer (just over 1.3:1 AST:TO). One of my sleeper picks at 59 if he drops. Projected at 55. 21 years old.

McCrea: Undersized PF (6'7") height-wise, but 250 lbs, not particularly athletic, solid rebounder (and very good on the offensive glass), decent post scorer, turnover prone (though that goes hand in hand with him operating as a first option from the post). Projected at 42. 21 years old.

Dower: Undersized C (6'9"), non-athletic, decent wingspan (7'2"), OK rebounder, can occasionally though not consistently stretch the floor. Projected at 60, 23 years old.

For me the intriguing picks are Carson at PG, maybe McCrea (although we are packed at PF), perhaps Johnson at SG. All at 59 though, not at 37.
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Thanks for the input Dan

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Clarkson: Average size for a PG, very athletic, poor shooter, gets to the line and converts at a good rate, rebounds well for a PG, poor facilitator (almost a 1:1 AST:TO). Projected at 45. 21 years old.
Listed as a 6'5'', so decent size for a combo guard. Sounds like he had an impressive workout; Josh Lewenberg: "Hearing Missouri guard Jordan Clarkson had a strong showing today".

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Carson: Undersized PG (5'10"), extremely athletic (max vert 43.5"), very good shooter (almost 40% from 3 on 3 attempts per game), gets to the line a lot (almost 7 attempts a game), rebounds well for a guard, not a great passer (just over 1.3:1 AST:TO). One of my sleeper picks at 59 if he drops. Projected at 55. 21 years old.
Carson missed the workout due to injury.
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Old 06-03-2014, 01:22 PM   #85 (permalink)
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noah vonleh is such a cool name, he looks good too.
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Today's workout: Chaz Williams (PG), Deonte Burton (PG), Niels Giffey (SF), Melvin Ejim (SF), Khem Birch (PF), Alec Brown (C)

Williams: Tiny PG (5-9"), Very little scouting info. High assist rate in college, but only a decent AST:TO. Can shoot the 3. Projected at 75. 23 years old.

Burton: PG (6'1"), crazy athletic (40" vert), huge wingspan for his size (6'7"), poor 3 point shooter, gets to the line, OK rebounder. Projected at 47. 22 years old.

Giffey: Average SF (6'7") with a decent wingspan (6'10"), not very athletic, very good 3 point shooter (almost 50% in college), very poor rebounder for a SF. Projected at 100. 22 years old.

Ejim: Solid SF (6'7", 6'11" wingspan), average athleticism (max vert 35"), solid scorer in college (50% from the field, 18 PPG, 35% from 3), rebounds well for his position (8.4 RB/GM). Projected at 87. 23 years old.

Birch: Skinny PF (6'9", 205 lbs, 7'1" wingspan), decent athleticism for a PF (35" max vert), very good rebounder (10 per game in 31 minutes), scored efficiently on low usage, considered high upside defensively (very versatile defender). Projected at 56. 21 years old.

Brown: Big C (7'1"), non-athletic, poor rebounder (think Bargnani level rebounding), very good perimeter shooter (44%), doesn't do much else, although he's considered a solid defender and good shot blocker. Projected at 77, 21 years old. Intriguing because he's unique, and young, terrifying because he really does remind of Bargnani (although he's already a better defender).

For me the intriguing picks are Burton at PG, maybe Birch at PF (if not for his lack of perimeter game he could project as a SF), perhaps Brown at C. All at 59 though, except maybe Burton at 37 if everyone else interesting is gone. Probably 59 for him as well though.
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thanks for the breakdowns dan, really helpful
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That vert though...
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Here are our SF options for the #20 pick, and possibly a couple second round guys as well.

Today's workouts: Kyle Anderson (SF), DeAndre Kane (PG/SG), K.J. McDaniels (SF), Jordan McRae (SG), DeAndre Daniels (SF) and C.J. Fair (SF/PF)

Kyle Anderson (SF): Strange player. Played PG mostly in college, ran his team's offense. Does not have the quicks for PG, and some doubt he has them for SF, but he doesn't have the size or strength for bigs. 6'8", 230 lbs. Practically non-existent athleticism. Decent 7'2" wingspan. Cerebral player - good scorer, great shooter from 3 (almost 50% on a couple attempts per game), rebounds well (9 per game), averaged 6.5 assists to 3 turnovers. All around player who is very promising. Not considered a plus defender, and has a fairly undefined position in the NBA. Big upside, big bust potential. Projected at 23. 20 years old.

DeAndre Kane (PG/SG): Solidly built PG (6'4", 200 lbs), although he plays a bit of a tweener game (more of a scorer than passer). Solid athleticism. All-around game, with decent points, rebounds and assists per game, and has improved a lot through his long college career. Gets to the line very well, though doesn't convert as well as you'd like. Defensively solid, though not a particular strength of his. Late 2nd round pick if anything. Projected 86. 24 years old.

KJ McDaniels (SF): My pick at 20. But here's my unbiased scouting report. A bit small for a SF (6'6", 200 lbs), but with big wingspan to make up for it (a hair under 7'). Good athleticism (37" max vert, fastest sprint among SF's). Below average 3 pt shooter (30%), but not terrible. Scores efficiently inside the arc and gets to the line, where he converts at a high rate. Averaged almost 3 blocks and 1.4 steals, and 7 rebounds a game. Only an average ball-handler. Considered potentially a lock down defender at the NBA level. Projected at 22. 21 years old.

Jordan McRae (SG): 6'5", 7' wingspan. Long SG, far too thin to play SF (175 lbs). Not a very efficient scorer, though decent from 3 (34%). Below average rebounder, not much of a playmaker. Solid athleticism. OK defender. Has the length to be a solid defender, but his strength and quickness are lacking a bit. Some doubt whether he can fill out and compete at the NBA level due to his wiry frame. Sort of a jack of all trades, master of none. Projected at 59. 23 years old.

DeAndre Daniels (SF): Good size for a SF (6'8", 200 lbs) with very good length (7'2" wingspan). Overall solid athleticism, though not much of a leaper (max vert 32"). Rebounds fairly well, not much of a playmaker at all, scores, though not particularly efficiently, but has a good three point shot (41%). Projects as a possible 3+D guy. Inconsistent defender, but showed promise down the stretch. Projects at 46. 22 years old. Good fallback plan if we pass on McDaniels in the first with our 37th pick.

C.J. Fair (SF/PF): SF size, PF game. 6'8", 220 lbs. Not much of a shooter (27% from 3, only 46% inside the arc), OK rebounder (6 per game), not really much of a playmaker and doesn't draw a lot of fouls. Might be an OK defender at SF, but will struggle against big PF's, and really needs to play PF offensively. Projected at 72, 22 years old.

McDaniels is the big name here in my opinion, with Daniels an interesting backup plan. Anderson is crazy intriguing, but I'm terrified of picking him - big bust potential. But the highest potential you are going to see at 20th.
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No way we take Fair at 20...maybe 37 though

And how is Kane an option at SF?
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No way we take Fair at 20...maybe 37 though

And how is Kane an option at SF?
Fair would be a 59th pick if anything.

Kane is a PG.
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No way we take Fair at 20...maybe 37 though

And how is Kane an option at SF?
The answer is in Dan's post:

"Here are our SF options for the #20 pick, and possibly a couple second round guys as well."
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I don't see how could Kyle Anderson could be a bust at 20
Great passer, great ball IQ and a good shooter, only 20years old so still has plenty of upside. Those are the kind of players I want, sick and tired of chuckers.
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I don't see how could Kyle Anderson could be a bust at 20
Great passer, great ball IQ and a good shooter, only 20years old so still has plenty of upside. Those are the kind of players I want, sick and tired of chuckers.
And good size
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I don't see how could Kyle Anderson could be a bust at 20
Great passer, great ball IQ and a good shooter, only 20years old so still has plenty of upside. Those are the kind of players I want, sick and tired of chuckers.
The reason he could be a bust is he is SO SLOW. The game is so much faster in the NBA than college. You'd have any player he guards blowing by him every time down the floor. And he's not nearly strong enough to deal with C's or PF's. Or SF's for that matter really.

If he can play defense, he's a steal at 20. He probably can't though, so he's got that bust potential.
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The reason he could be a bust is he is SO SLOW. The game is so much faster in the NBA than college. You'd have any player he guards blowing by him every time down the floor. And he's not nearly strong enough to deal with C's or PF's. Or SF's for that matter really.

If he can play defense, he's a steal at 20. He probably can't though, so he's got that bust potential.
I'm not worried about his strength because he is so young. He is not going to learn athleticism, but I think he will figure out the angles with time because of his high ball IQ. I could see him becoming Diaw type of defender
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Anderson looks like Brandon Roy after his knees were shot. Not a fan of drafting him. He could end up being a good creator in the right situation, but I'm not a big fan of his potential. The other downside with him is how long it takes him to get his shot off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSq0BbC2YLI

The lack of seperation due to his being slow, combined with his slow shot release isn't enticing if I'm a GM.
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Anderson looks like Brandon Roy after his knees were shot. Not a fan of drafting him. He could end up being a good creator in the right situation, but I'm not a big fan of his potential. The other downside with him is how long it takes him to get his shot off:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jSq0BbC2YLI

The lack of seperation due to his being slow, combined with his slow shot release isn't enticing if I'm a GM.
Yeah, if we're going to reach go for someone like Warren perhaps.
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Yeah, if we're going to reach go for someone like Warren perhaps.
Why the obsession with no-defense guys? Warren and Anderson both are two of the worst defenders in the first round.
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