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Old 06-27-2014, 12:46 PM   #161 (permalink)
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OK so Javale size wingspan, quick, and a good shooter who has a high bball iq....shit sounds good to me.
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Old 06-27-2014, 12:48 PM   #162 (permalink)
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And your vast knowledge is enough to assess the abilities of Masai, Casey, and the entire scouting staff?
and yours is?

Questioning the choice and seeing it as a big big big huge reach even at the 20th pick in the draft is not an illogical opinion, in fact it is pretty much on par with every media outlet, analyst etc at the time of the pick. Since then of course the hype train has started tooting down the tract and now today you see reports out of toronto media that are all "highest upside, freak athlete" and shit like that.

Perhaps he will someday be a great player, only time will tell, but today is not that day, and today it all seems like a reach and a stretch.

Running around all giddy and rah rah about the selection is premature and moronic to say the least.
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Old 06-27-2014, 12:49 PM   #163 (permalink)
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Wonder if this Brazillian KD will turn out like the Italian Bargnani?
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Old 06-27-2014, 12:49 PM   #164 (permalink)
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And your vast knowledge is enough to assess the abilities of Masai, Casey, and the entire scouting staff?
Don't forget he also knows who we should have drafted instead.
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Old 06-27-2014, 12:52 PM   #165 (permalink)
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Old 06-27-2014, 12:57 PM   #166 (permalink)
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There were no player has a high ceiling left in the draft, and they got screwed loosing Ennis and im sure they were trying to trade down, but it probably never worked out so the pulled the trigger Thats why Massai takes the gamble on the kid. Noone else was going to impact the roster at that point in time in the draft
Sure there was. My point was that it is a gamble and a big one that was unnecessary in that draft.
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Old 06-27-2014, 12:57 PM   #167 (permalink)
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OK so Javale size wingspan, quick, and a good shooter who has a high bball iq....shit sounds good to me.
Decent shooter, poor form only shoots 1.5 shots per game from deep so that isnt really a telling sign of shooting ability. Cannot create off the dribble at all. His release is low and in front of his face which might work in Brazil, it WILL NOT WORK in the nba.

He needs to add 30 lbs or so to his frame to be able to come close to handling the bullies at the SF position in the nba.

He has along way to go defensively as he is caught quite often out of position.

High Bball IQ? where did that come from exactly? Casey and MU? Cause they would say that if they just drafted Shaggy and Scoobie Doo.
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Old 06-27-2014, 12:59 PM   #168 (permalink)
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that is an idiotic comment. Congratulations.

Next time if you cant respond to a comment in a way that can actually raise some for of discussion, just keep on scrolling. Maybe someone else will post an original thought you can post a plus one to.
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Old 06-27-2014, 01:00 PM   #169 (permalink)
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Thankfully Colangelo set the deck so we could afford to take a high risk, high reward pick. Kevin Durant is coming to Toronto!
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Old 06-27-2014, 01:00 PM   #170 (permalink)
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and yours is?

Questioning the choice and seeing it as a big big big huge reach even at the 20th pick in the draft is not an illogical opinion, in fact it is pretty much on par with every media outlet, analyst etc at the time of the pick. Since then of course the hype train has started tooting down the tract and now today you see reports out of toronto media that are all "highest upside, freak athlete" and shit like that.

Perhaps he will someday be a great player, only time will tell, but today is not that day, and today it all seems like a reach and a stretch.

Running around all giddy and rah rah about the selection is premature and moronic to say the least.
Well maybe you would just like to not bother being a part of this forum. There is room here for anyone with any viewpoint, and they shouldn't have to worry about some troll calling them a moron.

The dude has the wingspan and athletism of Javale - you know, that dude you thought so highly of. Javale has shit for brains and has still managed to be effective enough thanks to that wingspan and athleticism. If Bruno can clear that rather low ceiling then it's not hard to get a little excited, especially when people with well-trained eyes saw enough to get excited. Media outlets did not know about him at all, so why does their opinion, or what should honestly just be a lack of an opinion, mean so much to you? They kinda need to call it a reach in order not to look like morons, now don't they? Logically, that's just basic and easy to decipher. But you want to say that anyone that looks past the shortcomings of dudes that get paid to post tweets are morons? Get the fuck outta here. No, really, get the fuck outta here.
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Don't forget he also knows who we should have drafted instead.
there were a fair few other talents available that werent nearly the risk this kid was. Even if another team snagged him before the 37th pick, they most likely, had they truely wanted too, traded for him.
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Old 06-27-2014, 01:06 PM   #172 (permalink)
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Actually Masai said Ennis was their 1st, the Brazilian KD was their 2nd on the list.
Anyone can say anything but I can see what you're saying. Honestly though, there was really no one to trade with in the mid teens...16&19 went to Denver, of course 14&18 to the Suns, Atlanta needed a big so 15 makes sense, so that leaves Boston at 17. I would think the #20 or Ross could have gotten it done and pre 14th is way too high for Ennis, so I can see MU's decision process - Ennis is not a player to give up Ross or Bruno or go for it or trade up into the 10-13 range.

I would bet if both were on the board and MU knew Bruno would be gone shortly after, he would have taken Bruno still - not like the Raps are hurting at the pg spot - not yet anyways. Ennis just wasn't high enough on their board to give up something bigger (like Tross or the #20) to get him and sacrifice picking Bruno. MU also commented that there are other drafts than this one and suggested to look at 2015. It's a process....maybe KL leaves, we suck, get the top pick next year and we draft Emmanuel Mudiay

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Well maybe you would just like to not bother being a part of this forum. There is room here for anyone with any viewpoint, and they shouldn't have to worry about some troll calling them a moron.

The dude has the wingspan and athletism of Javale - you know, that dude you thought so highly of. Javale has shit for brains and has still managed to be effective enough thanks to that wingspan and athleticism. If Bruno can clear that rather low ceiling then it's not hard to get a little excited, especially when people with well-trained eyes saw enough to get excited. Media outlets did not know about him at all, so why does their opinion, or what should honestly just be a lack of an opinion, mean so much to you? They kinda need to call it a reach in order not to look like morons, now don't they? Logically, that's just basic and easy to decipher. But you want to say that anyone that looks past the shortcomings of dudes that get paid to post tweets are morons? Get the fuck outta here. No, really, get the fuck outta here.
I didnt call you a moron, I said the post was moronic. Big difference.

And the rest of this post of your makes little to no sense.

Why do you keep bringing up Javale McGee, I could care less about Javale McGee.

This kids got long arms, is that why he is such a great pick at 20?

And looking past shortcomings of basically everyone in some form of sports media, people who make their living on providing scouting and information about players not yet drafted. Hell Even CASEY didnt know who kid was 2 weeks ago, I would tend to side more on that in this day and age of social media and the like, Millions and millions of fans, thousands upion thousands of scouts etc, for a player not to be seen or heard of outside of very few clips on the internet to be that genuine thing is alot harder to believe than there being another reason why there is no news on him.
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Old 06-27-2014, 01:12 PM   #174 (permalink)
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Anyone can say anything but I can see what you're saying. Honestly though, there was really no one to trade with in the mid teens...16&19 went to Denver, of course 14&18 to the Suns, Atlanta needed a big so 15 makes sense, so that leaves Boston at 17. I would think the #20 or Ross could have gotten it done and pre 14th is way too high for Ennis, so I can see MU's decision process - Ennis is not a player to give up Ross or Bruno or go for it and trade up into the 10-13 range.

I would bet if both were on the board and MU knew Bruno would be gone shortly after, he would have taken Bruno still - not like the Raps are hurting at the pg spot - not yet anyways. Ennis just wasn't high enough on their board to give up something bigger (like Tross or the #20) to get him and sacrifice picking Bruno. MU also commented that there are other drafts than this one and suggested to look at 2015. It's a process....maybe KL leaves, we suck, get the top pick next year and we draft Emmanuel Mudiay
"Ennis just wasn't high enough on their board to give up something bigger" ... No. Ennis isn't GOOD enough to give something bigger. Not 'high' enough on their board. That means if he was free at the 20th they would have selected Ennis NOT Bruno. That's what everyone is saying. Ennis was their first selection. IDK why you're trying to debate that he isn't high enough when the organization has stated that it was him first Bruno second. They tried to trade for Ennis, and PHX don't want to trade him. Being high on their selection doesn't mean they will give up their franchise to get him, it just means if he was free it'd be him over Bruno.
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Old 06-27-2014, 01:16 PM   #175 (permalink)
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Sure there was. My point was that it is a gamble and a big one that was unnecessary in that draft.
You're being silly and a melo-drama queen.

If we keep our FA's ( I think we will) with the internal growth of our young players and a couple of tuck-in FA signings, we're fine. There was no-one at 20 that would measurably change the outlook for next season beyond maybe being an 8 to 10 man in the rotation.Masai is trying to find players that can be more than that for the future. None of us has has seen Caboclo play, but we've all become sudden experts on the merits of the pick. Give it a rest.

I actually think Milwaukee and LA took bigger gambles in the draft. Parker and Randle have to be very good from the get go, but all I can smell is Elton Brand.
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You're being silly and a melo-drama queen.

If we keep our FA's ( I think we will) with the internal growth of our young players and a couple of tuck-in FA signings, we're fine. There was no-one at 20 that would measurably change the outlook for next season beyond maybe being an 8 to 10 man in the rotation.Masai is trying to find players that can be more than that for the future. None of us has has seen Caboclo play, but we've all become sudden experts on the merits of the pick. Give it a rest.

I actually think Milwaukee and LA took bigger gambles in the draft. Parker and Randle have to be very good from the get go, but all I can smell is Elton Brand.
Those are all some seriously big "if's" there, so why add another seriously big if in the draft.
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Those are all some seriously big "if's" there, so why add another seriously big if in the draft.
Who considers him a big if?
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Randle will be fine.. playing for a good franchise and city, and has allot of people who will show him the way
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Old 06-27-2014, 01:26 PM   #180 (permalink)
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that is an idiotic comment. Congratulations.

Next time if you cant respond to a comment in a way that can actually raise some for of discussion, just keep on scrolling. Maybe someone else will post an original thought you can post a plus one to.
Your original comment was an insult being thrown at the pick by yourself, because it doesn't please you. It wasn't worth any discussion beyond the fact that you wanted to provoke a totally irrelevant one so you could continue being petulant. RealGM is great for that, as you are aware.
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