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Old 06-27-2014, 11:41 AM   #141 (permalink)
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I find it odd of a pick.

I find it annoying that the Toronto Hype machine is starting to rev up about potential, this, future looking bright that but you look at media's interpretation outside of Toronto and it is a very negative looking pick.

Personally when I cant even find ANYTHING on the kid at all, with all the scouts etc and social media that is available all over the world yet this kid on DX's website has a scoting report from 1 game and only 1 game, not much else available on the internet with exception of a 1:30 second clip of him walking through a couple drills and playing a scrimmage in which he didnt look too hot. And a couple short videos of a couple of dunks.

Sooooo

That only logically leads to a couple of things, only he and his friends and family know nothing of social media, and the local sports reporters, team coaches trainers etc no not how to market or raise hype for this player that only logged minimal minutes per game,

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He just didn't deserve to get that type of recognition.
Or maybe MU and his staff wanted to it hush hush, so that other teams wouldn't know about BCab. Last year, no one really knew about Giannis A until 3 weeks before the draft when he played in a tournament in Italy, and his stock exploded.

Because websites and so-called TV "experts" don't know much about a player doesn't mean the player lacks talent. It's the job of GMs and scouts to find those gems.
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Old 06-27-2014, 11:42 AM   #142 (permalink)
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Wish we could've grabbed Ennis. I dunno what to say about this Bruno guy other than I hope he's good. lol
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Old 06-27-2014, 11:44 AM   #143 (permalink)
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If he had been drafted by the Spurs, everybody would be ecstatic about this Brazilian phenomenon.

We'll see soon enough what he is made of. Can't wait for the summer league to begin.
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Old 06-27-2014, 11:56 AM   #144 (permalink)
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I waited a bit before I could post my thoughts.

At first I was surprised completely with the pick. Had no idea who the dude was and was more confused. Got a bit annoyed when I saw other players go later but then saw the potential this dude has. That wingspan is crazy. This was a great pick a boom or bust. This dude could be the steal of the draft and let's hope for that. I was much happier when I found out that we get to see him right away. Excited to watch him play
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Old 06-27-2014, 12:21 PM   #145 (permalink)
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Like 100% of everyone else I was confused when I heard his name announced. I thought the TV guys were rude to make jokes considering they didn't even know him either. They should have just said they don't know who this kid was and give credit to a former GM of the year and known top class scout in Masi that he actually might know something they did not.
That said I don't know if this kid pans out but I'm happy we got a potential guy instead of a guy that has been scouted to death and would never be more than a back up player at 20 which was our prospects before the name Bruno was said.
Because there is some mystery to Bruno this actually makes him more interesting until we see him in July for the summer league where we will all be waiting to judge the early early returns. In truth he has the potential to be the small forward/power forward of the future for the Raptors but only time will tell.
Good on the Raptors and Masi IMHO for having the work ethic to find this kid and bad on all the haters who really are just mad they didn't know about this kid because really why are people even mad?...confused I can understand but some amount of research would be enlightening as to why the 20th pick was perfect for this pick.
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Old 06-27-2014, 12:22 PM   #146 (permalink)
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I like Ennis and would love to have him but Bruno was he target along and not the plan B as many suggest - Ennis would have been the icing on the cake. I 100% agree, BPA which is why he's was picked. Looking at the vids and reading about him he seems to have an incredible ceiling.

Jalens a player, those other 3 guys making fun will look silly IMO - they judged without knowing anything. At least Jalen paused and he'll be the only one not looking stupid.
Actually Masai said Ennis was their 1st, the Brazilian KD was their 2nd on the list.
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Old 06-27-2014, 12:28 PM   #147 (permalink)
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Spoiler alert: falling in love with this pick.

I love that he's got that Wiggins attribute of blocking three point jump shots. Imagine he and Ross defending the wing? Hope we get to see a good bit of him this year. Kind of rooting for Ujiri not to get a SF in free agency so Casey is forced to play either Fields or Bruno.
Maybe Fields can impersonate Bruno.

Imagine Bruno playing the 4 and Ross at the 3 and Amir at the 5 in small ball situations. The ability to switch on guys and swarm offenses will be amazing, especially if Ross gets a bit stronger. There will be a lot of nice options. But it will probably take a good couple of years before Casey should be criticized for not playing him enough. I think it's more important for him to get quality minutes rather than quantity. If he comes along super fast it would be nice though.
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Old 06-27-2014, 12:30 PM   #148 (permalink)
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Masai
- started tracking him since basketball without borders
- scouts followed him to tournament in december
- bruno will play in summer league
- bruno was #2 on Raptors draft board
- did not think he would be available at 37, couldnt trade up or down
- willing to wait for guys to develop. Will be patient with bruno
- very excited about bruno. 6'9 wing with 7'6 wingspan. Basketball junkie.
- felt he was best talent available
- masai went to brazil 3 times to see him
- coach casey was there to work him out couple days before draft
- not picking for 'popularity', thinking long term
- possible he will be on the roster this coming season
- tyler ennis was a target but was already picked
- 59th pick was moved. Can not comment right now (xavier thames)
How exactly is he second on the Raptors entire draft board? 2nd at the 20 spot or in the draft? Nobody else takes him in the top 20? Most people haven't even heard of him.

Casey says they tried to move up or down? Since both Miami and Charlotte exchanged picks they couldn't have tried too hard. Or is this is why they wanted the Memphis pick because it was right before Utah. They only had one spot to move down? Seem odd and not realistic.

They flat out wanted him, and then they kind of panicked. Its seems they had him and Ennis and nothing else.

Don't really know what the guy plays like but that's not the point. The point is this is a really big gamble that seems kind of unnecessary at this spot in the draft is all. There's no point arguing the other players I thought we should pick here, because that just creates a mess of arguing about picks potentials.

The only two things that look good about this pick are he's 18 and he's huge. But I have serious doubts about the fact/fanstasy of someone else was grabbing him even close to this high, and whether PHO or Utah would have used a 1st rounder on him.

Either way its gambling and reaching. Might work out... but its still gambling and reaching and not sure I love that.

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Masai and his staff scouted him many times. Ujiri actually went to Brazil 3 times this season to scout him. They don't base their choice according to Draft Express reports...

Ujiri has a good record when it comes to drafting. Last year he was high on Giannis and he tried to get into the draft to take him be couldn't. This year he's high on this Brazilian kid and I trust him. At least more than the media that never actually saw him play.
3 times..3 times????????!!!!????



Wow, that settles it then, 3 times to a country where someone lives they drafted is more than enough time to properly assess that players attributes.
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Wonder if this Brazillian KD will turn out like the Italian Bargnani?
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Old 06-27-2014, 12:33 PM   #151 (permalink)
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If he had been drafted by the Spurs, everybody would be ecstatic about this Brazilian phenomenon.

We'll see soon enough what he is made of. Can't wait for the summer league to begin.
Since the Spurs pick 30 its basically a 2nd round pick and I don't think anyone would have be bothered by it one bit if we picked at 30.
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3 times..3 times????????!!!!????



Wow, that settles it then, 3 times to a country where someone lives they drafted is more than enough time to properly assess that players attributes.
And your vast knowledge is enough to assess the abilities of Masai, Casey, and the entire scouting staff?
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Old 06-27-2014, 12:35 PM   #153 (permalink)
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I voted for good. IMO, whoever was on the board with that 20th pick, and whoever we took would not have impacted our roster today. Getting a Kid with a high ceiling, compared to the rest of the players left on the board is a great/right thing to do. Masai kept this kid on the down low, he did not tell anyone about it, which is why people dont know about him. Better take someone you want rather than get screwed. This kid has alot of potential look at this videos he can play can shoot and come on a 7'7 wingspan is no joke. Another thing to consider is at last years draft the person that discovered Giannias is none other than Masai, and Masai wanted him but people/ other teams found out about the kid and look what happen someone else got him. Also consider Masai was a scout before he got into a GM position he knows how to scout and the fact that it wasnt just him that saw Bruno play and it was alot of scouting staff and our HC this tells us alot that this guy can play. Taking him at 20 as oppose to 37,if you want a player you go get him, rumors have it SAS and PHX were in on this kid and looking at PHX pick taking Bojdan who is going to be stashed away Im sure they were considering Bruno, Bruno also he apparently played with our boy Leandro Barbosa before PHX signed Leandro last year. Taking a player you want facing being force to take a player bc your guy is gone is big difference. Masai told the kid they were taking him and after that he did not work out with other teams, thats another reason why other teams and pople dont know about him. At the end of the day I BELIEVE IN MASAI
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Wonder if this Brazillian KD will turn out like the Italian Bargnani?
One of the attributes they seem to have undoubtedly seen, is a love of basketball and a desire to play all day. If Bargnani ever had that in him a lot of us would be ok with the idea of him still being here. You never seemed bothered by his lethargic, uncaring demeanour at all, so i find the desire to try to make the comparison odd and confusing.
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Actually Masai said Ennis was their 1st, the Brazilian KD was their 2nd on the list.
True, but it's just because of the way the draft was shaped. Everybody knows Ennis while Bruno was a secret well kept. That way, they wanted to take Ennis at 20 and Bruno at 37. That would have been perfect.

Ennis was the option 1 for the 20th pick, but I'm not sure Masai and his staff ranked him as the best prospect for the future of the organization between the 2 players. They probably just thought they would make a huge steal with their second rounder.
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We'll see now. Masai allegedly got him to cancel all workouts by saying he'll take him 37th and ended up taking him 20th out of fear one of the other 2 or 3 teams who knew about him would take him. This keeping hush-hush by not letting him play much will either pay off or backfire because 3 times is hardly any scouting.
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How exactly is he second on the Raptors entire draft board? 2nd at the 20 spot or in the draft? Nobody else takes him in the top 20? Most people haven't even heard of him.

Casey says they tried to move up or down? Since both Miami and Charlotte exchanged picks they couldn't have tried too hard. Or is this is why they wanted the Memphis pick because it was right before Utah. They only had one spot to move down? Seem odd and not realistic.

They flat out wanted him, and then they kind of panicked. Its seems they had him and Ennis and nothing else.

Don't really know what the guy plays like but that's not the point. The point is this is a really big gamble that seems kind of unnecessary at this spot in the draft is all. There's no point arguing the other players I thought we should pick here, because that just creates a mess of arguing about picks potentials.

The only two things that look good about this pick are he's 18 and he's huge. But I have serious doubts about the fact/fanstasy of someone else was grabbing him even close to this high, and whether PHO or Utah would have used a 1st rounder on him.

Either way its gambling and reaching. Might work out... but its still gambling and reaching and not sure I love that.


There were no player has a high ceiling left in the draft, and they got screwed loosing Ennis and im sure they were trying to trade down, but it probably never worked out so the pulled the trigger Thats why Massai takes the gamble on the kid. Noone else was going to impact the roster at that point in time in the draft
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We'll see now. Masai allegedly got him to cancel all workouts by saying he'll take him 37th and ended up taking him 20th out of fear one of the other 2 or 3 teams who knew about him would take him. This keeping hush-hush by not letting him play much will either pay off or backfire because 3 times is hardly any scouting.
3 times Masai went not the other members of the scouting staff
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Wonder if this Brazillian KD will turn out like the Italian Bargnani?
Comparing a 20th pick to a 1st...

It's okay to gamble with the 20th pick if you think you got a kid that you scouted narrowly with a gigantic upside .
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Wow, that settles it then, 3 times to a country where someone lives they drafted is more than enough time to properly assess that players attributes.
Guess you don't listen well. Masai went 3 times, Weltman went twice, scouts were sent multiple times, Masai saw him at basketball without borders last summer, and in december, Casey saw him a week ago in Houston. This guy has been HEAVILY scouted.
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