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Old 06-27-2014, 04:47 PM   #261 (permalink)
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I think it's pretty clear according to Masai that they wanted Ennis at 20 and BC at 37. Now with how things have played out they tried to get the 22nd with no luck. Also since Ennis was picked by PHO Masai decided to go with BC since he was suspecting other teams were interested, therefore some say here, me included that it was a reach since this Bruno guy could have been available in the second round, we don't know really.
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I think it's pretty clear according to Masai that they wanted Ennis at 20 and BC at 37. Now with how things have played out they tried to get the 22nd with no luck. Also since Ennis was picked by PHO Masai decided to go with BC since he was suspecting other teams were interested, therefore some say here, me included that it was a reach since this Bruno guy could have been available in the second round, we don't know really.
I believe he had a trade ready for the 22nd if Ennis fell to him, I think that PHX unexpectedly took Ennis is what canceled the trade. But that's just me assuming. After it fell to PHX, they tried to trade for the 18th/Ennis pick so they can have what they originally planned to have. Both Bruno and Ennis in the first round (because he assumed he wouldn't get Bruno in the 2nd, due to other teams wanting him too... obv if no one truly knew about Bruno he would of selected him at 37 like he planned.)
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If they got a trade 22nd pick. It'd be Ennis, then Bruno. That's what I'm saying, Bruno had to be scouted more heavy because tape on him is nearly non-existent. You're reading too much into it. I'm not doubting he'll be good but you're having that issue when people get a product and they try to make it out to look like the best because they consumed it. You wouldn't be saying any of that if they ended up getting the 22nd pick and got ennis with the first at 20 and 22nd with bruno, which is what managment and coach said they were trying to do in the first place. Managment doesn't believe ennis<bruno, they literally said the exact opposite by saying Bruno was 2nd on their board to be picked if ennis was avaliable and they actually were able to get the 22nd or w/e pick. Everything you're saying is really just in your head... there isn't anything aside from scouting a guy more than others, (Who'd been promised a spot) who's invisible to the media and internet.
No no I get that part not rocket science. Not reading we just disagree over who was more important. Either way this draft was 50% successful - the Raps wanted them both, wasn't able to trade up a few spots failed, Ennis didn't slide as hoped and then no need to pursue the 22nd which was for Bruno if Ennis come about. Everything you're saying is really just in you head after the draft. MU was going for a double but was only able to keep the guy who he's been scouting for along time and in person - they wanted to keep him secret, promised him he'll be picked, he refused to workout for other teams, etc etc. That's not rocket science either.

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No no I get that part not rocket science. Not reading we just disagree over who was more important. Either way this draft was 50% successful - the Raps wanted them both, wasn't able to trade up a few spots and then no need to pursue the 22nd which was for Bruno if they could get 2. Everything you're saying is really just in you head
True. Alright, atleast we can agree to Raps wanting both Ennis and Bruno. And everything I'm saying is what management is literally saying.
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Old 06-27-2014, 04:55 PM   #265 (permalink)
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Because long wait, like long arms, does not a stupid ass conversation make, like basketball players! And snooch is either post count padding or playing devil's advocate or just plain spamming. One of the three.
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True. Alright, atleast we can agree to Raps wanting both Ennis and Bruno. And everything I'm saying is what management is literally saying.
sure, many teams wanted Ennis. Not really a secret. I doubt if Ennis slide they take him over Bruno if they knew Bruno was going to be gone by the next pick. Ennis is quite more replaceable than the possibility of what Bruno can bring - not like there's a glut of guards in the league or we struggled with SF's for years.
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No no I get that part not rocket science. Not reading we just disagree over who was more important. Either way this draft was 50% successful - the Raps wanted them both, wasn't able to trade up a few spots failed, Ennis didn't slide as hoped and then no need to pursue the 22nd which was for Bruno if Ennis come about. Everything you're saying is really just in you head after the draft. MU was going for a double but was only able to keep the guy who he's been scouting for along time and in person - they wanted to keep him secret, promised him he'll be picked, he refused to workout for other teams, etc etc. That's not rocket science either.
They wanted Ennis at 20 and tried to trade with MEM for 22 to pick Caboclo.

When PHX took Ennis, they took Caboclo at 20 and didn't complete the trade with MEM. They would have taken Caboclo in any case, either at 22 or 20 as it turned out. I can understand if people are disappointed we didn't get Ennis, but Caboclo was going to be picked either way.
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They wanted Ennis at 20 and tried to trade with MEM for 22 to pick Caboclo.

When PHX took Ennis, they took Caboclo at 20 and didn't complete the trade with MEM. They would have taken Caboclo in any case, either at 22 or 20 as it turned out. I can understand if people are disappointed we didn't get Ennis, but Caboclo was going to be picked either way.
Well, I 100% agree, just Ataf and a few don't.
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I don't think we'll know if MU pulled the plus on the rumoured trade with Memphis. Even if Ennis was off the board, surely there would have been another player the team would have strong interest in at #22. All it would cost the team is JS and #37, which they used on a guy who will start the season in the D-League.
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sure, many teams wanted Ennis. Not really a secret. I doubt if Ennis slide they take him over Bruno if they knew Bruno was going to be gone by the next pick. Ennis is quite more replaceable than the possibility of what Bruno can bring - not like there's a glut of guards in the league or we struggled with SF's for years.
Well again, this is not me saying that it's the management who said they were going to select Ennis at 20th if he fell to them. I really don't see why you're arguing this. But w/e guess it was in my head when they publicly stated that. You got the facts on your side. I'm not saying Bruno>Ennis, or Ennis>Bruno. We wont know untill SL, next season, or/and the season after so I'm not going to comment who's more valuable atm. But the organization felt Ennis was more valuable by saying he was higher on their board, meaning if they had 20th and 22nd. 20th would be Ennis. And if they couldn't get 22nd, it'd still be Ennis. That's what they mean when they say he's first on the board, and Bruno is 2nd.
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Old 06-27-2014, 05:18 PM   #271 (permalink)
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I don't think we'll know if MU pulled the plus on the rumoured trade with Memphis. Even if Ennis was off the board, surely there would have been another player the team would have strong interest in at #22. All it would cost the team is JS and #37, which they used on a guy who will start the season in the D-League.
A second 1st rounder + Princes salary has a large effect on cap-space. You can't just compartmentalize any moves. They affect other things.
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Old 06-27-2014, 05:20 PM   #272 (permalink)
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I disagree though. If there is super star potential at the 20th pick in the draft, to me that's a no brainer.

I get that it may have been possible to get him at #37. But then again, if MU who has way more inside info than most people, thought it's risky to wait that long, can you really be sure that wasn't the case?

It's one thing to reach from 5th to 15th and quite another to reach from 20 to 37. At that point in the draft, historically speaking, your chances of drafting even a serviceable player are pretty low. Maybe we could have gotten a guy who in 3-4 year would be a starter - would that really move the needle much for this franchise?

If, on the other hand, BC turns out to be a special talent, that's a home run of incalculable value.

We can only dream of a BC/Wiggins pairing 4-5 years from now with ennis running the point and JV anchoring the middle
I agree with some... but the first part? I have a hard time believing he will be a superstar and that's a real long shot. Anythings possible... but its a bit much to expect at this point.
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The same way nobody here heard about the Raptors being interested by this guy until they picked him. Once again, your personal intell doesn't mean nothing...



He had not any work out because of the promise he received from Masai months ago.





So I guess some people have just better informations than your friends... I'm shocked.
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I agree with some... but the first part? I have a hard time believing he will be a superstar and that's a real long shot. Anythings possible... but its a bit much to expect at this point.
I do as well....thinking at best solid starter in a couple of years but anything is possible. Certainly enough of his skill set was seen by the Raptor scouts and MU himself to keep him so quiet and avoid working out with other teams and such.

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Old 06-27-2014, 05:26 PM   #275 (permalink)
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Trying to pick through your poor comprehension and tiresome ranting. If you're posting here, anyone can reply.
I haven't responded to any of your useless ranting so if your have comprehension problems reading my post its your problem and if you have a problem comprehending I might not agree with everything you say its also your problem and not mine. You are really just being a dick about nothing and maybe you should just continue arguing with snooch instead of getting pissed off at everyone.
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So, you asked your friends in the States if they had heard of them. Unless they're scouts or working in upper management of an NBA team, why would you cite them as sources? Heck, not even the so-called experts knew about BC, which just shows there are still limitations in how armchair GMs make up lists and mocks.

And I don't see anyone here saying that BC is a steal. No one is really hyping him up. All people are saying is that BC has quite a few positive attributes that should help him develop. Whether he becomes a star, a starter, rotation guy, or out of the league remains to be seen. No one here has been throwing any names around. It was Fran V who said that BC is considered the KD of Brazil while Casey said BC reminded him of a young Rashard Lewis but more raw.
friends that twitter follow, know someone who knows someone etc. Usually they have at least some incling as to who is being scouted. They heard nothing of thier management going to or from brazil etc. It isnt unreasonable to cite them as a reference point.

I know them, it is equally substancial as an "unnamed north american source" is.

It is just that i dont get paid to put it into print. That is your only validity of some of the things currently being said.
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I haven't responded to any of your useless ranting so if your have comprehension problems reading my post its your problem and if you have a problem comprehending I might not agree with everything you say its also your problem and not mine. You are really just being a dick about nothing and maybe you should just continue arguing with snooch instead of getting pissed off at everyone.
he does a poor job argueing with me as well, i just now am forced to add him to the list of posts i immediately bypass without giving a second thought.
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When PHX took Ennis, they took Caboclo at 20 and didn't complete the trade with MEM. They would have taken Caboclo in any case, either at 22 or 20 as it turned out. I can understand if people are disappointed we didn't get Ennis, but Caboclo was going to be picked either way.
Okay. I'm just not going to say anything now just quote Massai and Casey from now on. Argue with them. I don't care if we got either or tbh, I haven't posted a thing on any draft thread about wanting anyone at 20.. I don't know if Ennis is any good as much as I know about Bruno.


"We had to move and take him at 20, once we didn't get the chance to get Tyler."
"Once we didn't get Tyler we made the move to go ahead and decided this is the guy. There is no use of waiting and taking the chance of getting him at 37."
"We tried to move around to get Ennis, that didn't work. We tried everything."
By Casey Post-draft.
All in my head guys, all in my head. Same with Casey then, all in his head.
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PS. If it's not stated by managment, and it's you speculating that his comments are false with no reliable source... Sorry to break it to you it might be "in your head."
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Okay. I'm just not going to say anything now just quote Massai and Casey from now on. Argue with them. I don't care if we got either or tbh, I haven't posted a thing on any draft thread about wanting anyone at 20.. I don't know if Ennis is any good as much as I know about Bruno.


"We had to move and take him at 20, once we didn't get the chance to get Tyler."
"Once we didn't get Tyler we made the move to go ahead and decided this is the guy. There is no use of waiting and taking the chance of getting him at 37."
"We tried to move around to get Ennis, that didn't work. We tried everything."
By Casey Post-draft.
All in my head guys, all in my head. Same with Casey then, all in his head.
I'm not disagreeing with any of that. Sure makes people feel better though to think the Raps wouldn't go so far out on a limb for a pick. Corporate never misleads before or after a draft. It's all good, not like BCab was in the states already getting his visa to come to Canada prior to the draft or already have things in place to have a roster spot on the raps - meaning a buy out was already being discussed with his club for next year prior to the draft which has shocked many - or have things set up with DD/Tross/DC to go to Cali as reported shortly after the draft; you know, cause all those things happen that fast after the draft without premeditation and just that fast.

I like the pick and really, it's the #20, not like it's a debate on a lottery pick or something like, you know, really important.

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