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Old 06-27-2014, 02:10 PM   #201 (permalink)
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At the end of the day, a mid to late first round pick is an opportunity for a playoff team (excluding trades) to sign a cheap 4 year contract (~1 mill/yr) to a young 18-22 year old player with a few flaws. If they didn't have flaws, they would've been taken in the lottery.

When you're comparing flawed/raw young players against other flawed young players, its pretty much a crapshoot. You might as well pick a guy that you scouted extensively and is excited about.
chances they contribute right away is very low, especially for a playoff team.

Clearly Masai has been working the phones all night trying to get tyler ennis, and it didn't work out. He felt strongly enough about Bruno that he would regret letting him slide at the risk of losing him to another team. There's word that Utah, Phoenix, and even Spurs had interest in him late in the first round despite not being in any consensus mock drafts.

I understand where Snooch is coming from, Masai is not impervious to criticism and should be questioned when he pulls a move that nobody was expecting. In truth there were quite a few solid options that fell onto the Raptors lap on draft night.

And the Raptors have burned the fan base with poor draft choices in the past.
People talk about Araujo, Ross, and Bargnani picks over and over,
but there were some lower picks that slipped away from the Raptors as well.
I was personally disappointed when Raptors took Joey Graham in 2005 @ 16th and let Danny Granger slide to 17th (he was projected a top 10 pick in mocks that year).

My point is there's nothing wrong with criticizing the Raptors for making wild picks, they have not proven they can make good draft choices in the past, so those that don't blindly follow Masai have the right to question him.

That being said, I'm pretty excited about this pick and YES it probably was a reach for Bruno @ #20, its very possible we could've gotten him at 37. Who knows what can happen in a parallel universe.

But fact is that we have a young 18 year old international kid now signed to a very cheap 4 year contract and we have a chance to develop him however we want. He's got a great body, young, and has a passion for basketball. Our management is comfortable with this pick and is excited to see him in uniform.
So lets just wait and see what happens.

Summer league is just around the corner, won't have to wait that long to get a glimpse of what's coming

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Old 06-27-2014, 02:12 PM   #202 (permalink)
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people are going on and on about his long arms.

Hey look we know nothing about him but he has long arms.
lol the truth is YOU know nothing about him.

So because YOU know nothing about him, that automatically means our management and coaching staff and franchise know nothing about him too.


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Old 06-27-2014, 02:16 PM   #203 (permalink)
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I trust Masai. He was first a scout for years before working his way up. I think this kid will be special. He sure has the physical tools. Casey said he was picking up things in just a couple reps and is a quick learner. If he has the work ethic like demar, watch out
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Old 06-27-2014, 02:26 PM   #204 (permalink)
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lol the truth is YOU know nothing about him.

So because YOU know nothing about him, that automatically means our management and coaching staff and franchise know nothing about him too.


Oh, thats what it is.

We can ASSUME that management has done extensive research and scouting and that because our team is the only team, anywhere, that has anything to say about the kid that they must certainly be 100% correct.
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Old 06-27-2014, 02:29 PM   #205 (permalink)
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Oh, thats what it is.

We can ASSUME that management has done extensive research and scouting and that because our team is the only team, anywhere, that has anything to say about the kid that they must certainly be 100% correct.
if i had to put money down, i'd put it on masai and the raps upper management being good at their jobs before i'd put it on snooch knowing anything about this situation.
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Old 06-27-2014, 02:30 PM   #206 (permalink)
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some interesting points on reddit from brazilian fans that have watched him play:
My view as a Brazilian over Caboclo. : torontoraptors

wow he had a 24pt 5 reb 1ass 1blk game shooting 81% and 4/4 from 3pt
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Old 06-27-2014, 02:30 PM   #207 (permalink)
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No, it doesn't make you a good basketball player any more then being tall does. You are pointing out the obvious.

However, it does give you an advantage over your competition.
A young golfer who has specially designed bionic golf clubs has a chance to dominate the competition if he dedicates his life to the process.
This kid has bionic tools. If he commits his life to basketball the sky is the limit.

I trust Mu wouldn't waste such a high pick and go out on such a limb unless he saw something special in the kid.
What does Golf clubs have to do with basketball.

nothing.

What does long arms have to do with it,

Nothing


I am sure MU did see something special in him, you wouldnt make a pick just to make a pick, that would be idiotic. The thing I question is what he saw worthy of a number 20 pick when there is absolutely nothing saying that he wouldnt be there in the second round.

Hell, everyone know miami wanted Shabazz, everyone. Lebron loves the kid, be saying for months how much he loves him. Could have picked Shabazz at 20, traded with miami for an asset(maybe get Salmons gone) and still get Bruno at 26.
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Old 06-27-2014, 02:32 PM   #208 (permalink)
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"Ennis just wasn't high enough on their board to give up something bigger" ... No. Ennis isn't GOOD enough to give something bigger. Not 'high' enough on their board. That means if he was free at the 20th they would have selected Ennis NOT Bruno. That's what everyone is saying. Ennis was their first selection. IDK why you're trying to debate that he isn't high enough when the organization has stated that it was him first Bruno second. They tried to trade for Ennis, and PHX don't want to trade him. Being high on their selection doesn't mean they will give up their franchise to get him, it just means if he was free it'd be him over Bruno.
Your reading too much between the lines, that certainly doesn't mean if Ennis is there they take him over Bruno and that is not what everyone is saying. What is the franchise going to say and who knows what they would have done? It is what it is. They tried to trade for Ennis great but this Bruno was so heavily scouted that MU wasn't even willing to risk him not being there at 37. I'm not even sure they had one higher than the other but if MU wanted Ennis, they were others other than Pheonix to trade with.

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if i had to put money down, i'd put it on masai and the raps upper management being good at their jobs before i'd put it on snooch knowing anything about this situation.
Of couorse they are.

That is just a nonsense thing to post in the first place.

I am not implying they do not know their job, I am only saying that he is a reach at the pick they used.

And saying that he needs more than long arms to make it.

And saying that there is just as good a chance that he amounts to nothing as there is he amounts to something.

These are not ridiculous statements and are not an implication that I am smarter than MU and the staff.

Jesus Trane, I expect more out of you that that.
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some interesting points on reddit from brazilian fans that have watched him play:
My view as a Brazilian over Caboclo. : torontoraptors

wow he had a 24pt 5 reb 1ass 1blk game shooting 81% and 4/4 from 3pt
more than a few Brazilian fans are saying that with hard work, added strength he can probably be a solid role player down the road.
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Old 06-27-2014, 02:36 PM   #211 (permalink)
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Of couorse they are.

That is just a nonsense thing to post in the first place.

I am not implying they do not know their job, I am only saying that he is a reach at the pick they used.

And saying that he needs more than long arms to make it.

And saying that there is just as good a chance that he amounts to nothing as there is he amounts to something.

These are not ridiculous statements and are not an implication that I am smarter than MU and the staff.

Jesus Trane, I expect more out of you that that.
you have narrowed masai's reasoning down to long arms and have stated there is nothing else to prove he is worth the 20th pick, and you say this despite knowing nothing about this guy. and your conclusion seems to be because the internet doesn't show you much about him, meaning no one knows and thus everything is a waste. i would say that i expect more out of you, but that would be untrue.
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If Ennis was #1 on the Raptors board and Caboclo was #2, when the time comes to make your pick, if your # 1 has already been picked, why would you then not pick your # 2, but instead, based on your needs, pick the next player who was # 3 when you've heard some other teams might be interested in Caboclo. Suddenly your turn at 37 comes up, Caboclo is gone, now you've been left with your #3 and you've missed out on the 2 top players on your board. That's getting less out of your pick in a deep draft than you wanted.
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you have narrowed masai's reasoning down to long arms and have stated there is nothing else to prove he is worth the 20th pick, and you say this despite knowing nothing about this guy. and your conclusion seems to be because the internet doesn't show you much about him, meaning no one knows and thus everything is a waste. i would say that i expect more out of you, but that would be untrue.
I did not say that masai made his selection because his arms are long.

I stated that long arms mean jack shit in response to posts abouot how long his arms are.

And in regards to the internet having nothing to say about him, I said I find it odd that there is NOTHING about him with the exception of a few scattered things about the internet, And I find it odd that in this day and age it would be possible to find a true secret gem out there that is undiscovered. that in the past year or two some videos, pics or something hasnt been posted about this kid from a family member, a fan, a teammate, a coach, an agent something somewhere.

You can find MILLIONS of pics DAILY about what someone has eaten but cannot find something about this freak athlete kid, with super long arms, who is still growing, who is a quick learner, who has this high bball iq.

That is very curious.

Perhaps management did find this secret player, much like Nick Nolte found Shaq in the bayoe in Louisianna, perhaps its alot of hype now and a big stretch of a pic.
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more than a few Brazilian fans are saying that with hard work, added strength he can probably be a solid role player down the road.
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Of couorse they are.

That is just a nonsense thing to post in the first place.

I am not implying they do not know their job, I am only saying that he is a reach at the pick they used.

And saying that he needs more than long arms to make it.

And saying that there is just as good a chance that he amounts to nothing as there is he amounts to something.

These are not ridiculous statements and are not an implication that I am smarter than MU and the staff.

Jesus Trane, I expect more out of you that that.

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Old 06-27-2014, 02:46 PM   #218 (permalink)
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I was working last night watched the draft in the morning had a couple of hours to think on this draft and I'm not happy at all. This might second worst pick in Raptors history right after Hoffa

I lost all faith in Masai this is worst than bc picking Bargnani who the bulls would've taken at 2 anyways
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In case you are new to the conversation, the gist of all the beavers ranting is "he needs more than long arms to make it."

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so now I am pointing out the obvious.

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