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Old 06-27-2014, 12:26 PM   #181 (permalink)
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Old 06-27-2014, 12:28 PM   #182 (permalink)
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Its a bad pick, we needed to add more talent to make a deeper playoff run, we didn't do that, we added nothing and at a best case scenario he'll be usefull in 5 years. I don't care who the dude is or how good he will be down the road. We needed immediate impact to try and be a real team for once with a real chance to win a playoff series and compete.
but at #20 I don't know if there was a player that would come in and put us over the hump, especially since Tyler Enis was our first option

We see one thing, they see another.. we watch clips on youtube or college games and say... this and that dude would be a good fit, but Masai and DC are actually seeing players in person and working them out... so it's totally different

but last night was so funny, the reaction in the msg boards wasn't as bad as drafting Jonas, but the reaction from the espn panel.. and the footage they showed loool, that was classic

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Old 06-27-2014, 12:33 PM   #184 (permalink)
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Who considers him a big if?
Everyone, Jeff, everyone.

BC is the definition of "the unknown". Even Raptors people consider him a prospect, a very good one, in their opinion, but a prospect nevertheless. That's why this pick was a pure gamble on potential. I am not saying I disagree or agree (don't know nearly enough to form an opinion either way), but in terms of "iffiness" - it's there, for sure.
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Old 06-27-2014, 12:33 PM   #185 (permalink)
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True, but it's just because of the way the draft was shaped. Everybody knows Ennis while Bruno was a secret well kept. That way, they wanted to take Ennis at 20 and Bruno at 37. That would have been perfect.

Ennis was the option 1 for the 20th pick, but I'm not sure Masai and his staff ranked him as the best prospect for the future of the organization between the 2 players. They probably just thought they would make a huge steal with their second rounder.
I understand, and I think most of us don't have a problem with the pick, but we do have a problem reaching him at 20. The team is trying to get better now, not in 4-6 years, and when I say get better I mean going deeper than a first round exit. Now this is not to say that the 20 can land you someone who can contribute right away but at the 20 if wanted an immediate impact Shabazz Napier could have been nice option to come off the bench, Capela or Hood. Heck at 20 I wouldn't even mind McGary but choosing a boom or bust prospect who is so raw and might be somewhat useful in the next 4 years is just surprising really. The whole point is to get a little better now, not in 4 years.
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Your original comment was an insult being thrown at the pick by yourself, because it doesn't please you. It wasn't worth any discussion beyond the fact that you wanted to provoke a totally irrelevant one so you could continue being petulant. RealGM is great for that, as you are aware.
was not an irrelevant comment.

Someone being called the brazilian KD is EXACTLY like Bargnani getting called the Italian Dirk.

If it wasnt worth the discussion, you needed not to reply to it.

I could care less about the 20th pick in the draft, but it is:

1) definately a reach

2) A HUGE stretch to even attempt to go on about how this kid is oozing potential, big wingspan, brazillian KD
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I understand, and I think most of us don't have a problem with the pick, but we do have a problem reaching him at 20. The team is trying to get better now, not in 4-6 years, and when I say get better I mean going deeper than a first round exit. Now this is not to say that the 20 can land you someone who can contribute right away but at the 20 if wanted an immediate impact Shabazz Napier could have been nice option to come off the bench, Capela or Hood. Heck at 20 I wouldn't even mind McGary but choosing a boom or bust prospect who is so raw and might be somewhat useful in the next 4 years is just surprising really. The whole point is to get a little better now, not in 4 years.
Yep, I understand your point as well. But the other thing to me is Ujiri's excitement about this kid that is quite contagious. I trust his judgement, and I'm quite intrigued to see that he thinks Bruno will be a part of the roster right away. So maybe he can contribute now while continuing his growth.

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Old 06-27-2014, 12:47 PM   #188 (permalink)
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You're being silly and a melo-drama queen.

If we keep our FA's ( I think we will) with the internal growth of our young players and a couple of tuck-in FA signings, we're fine. There was no-one at 20 that would measurably change the outlook for next season beyond maybe being an 8 to 10 man in the rotation.Masai is trying to find players that can be more than that for the future. None of us has has seen Caboclo play, but we've all become sudden experts on the merits of the pick. Give it a rest.

I actually think Milwaukee and LA took bigger gambles in the draft. Parker and Randle have to be very good from the get go, but all I can smell is Elton Brand.
I see your the expert on Bruno knowing how good a pick it is as well. I make a point that its gambling, and you call me a queen and tell me to give it a rest. I'm not even tlaking to you and made 2 posts. What the fuck is wrong with you.

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was not an irrelevant comment.

Someone being called the brazilian KD is EXACTLY like Bargnani getting called the Italian Dirk.

If it wasnt worth the discussion, you needed not to reply to it.

I could care less about the 20th pick in the draft, but it is:

1) definately a reach

2) A HUGE stretch to even attempt to go on about how this kid is oozing potential, big wingspan, brazillian KD
"Brazilian KD" was the term used by the dipstick asshole on the broadcast, not by Ujiri. Big wingspan- well ffs 7'6.5" IS a big wingspan.

And he is oozing potential, but the real question is can the coaching staff develop him to take advantage of the potential.

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I see your the expert on Bruno knowing how good a pick it is as well. I make a point that its gambling, and you call me a queen and tell me to give it a rest. I'm not even tlaking to you and made 2 posts. What the fuck is wrong with you.
Trying to pick through your poor comprehension and tiresome ranting. If you're posting here, anyone can reply.

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"Brazilian KD" was the term used by the dipstick asshole on the broadcast, not by Ujiri. Big wingspan- well ffs 7'6.5" IS a big wingspan.
Long arms does not make a good basketball player.

Thats the equvalent of saying a fat ugly chick has a good personality.

Well he has long arms!
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General manager Masai Ujiri promised Bruno Caboclo that the Raptors would take him.- Source TSN

This makes me respect the pick and even more.

He gave the young man his word he would bring him here.
The kid obviously really liked Mu and Mu really like him.

Sometimes you've got to go with your heart and gut vs. stats & analytics.

Mu is building a family.
He is creating a culture of love and respect. I dig it.
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was not an irrelevant comment.

Someone being called the brazilian KD is EXACTLY like Bargnani getting called the Italian Dirk.

If it wasnt worth the discussion, you needed not to reply to it.

I could care less about the 20th pick in the draft, but it is:

1) definately a reach

2) A HUGE stretch to even attempt to go on about how this kid is oozing potential, big wingspan, brazillian KD
bargnani had everything to be as good or better than dirk
it just didn't work because he wasn't into basketball and wasn't willing to improve. If this new guy has the desire (and masai seems to think so), he also has the tools to be a special guy.

it's all about how much you trust masai's judgement on his character and intangibles.

The espn comments that he's 3-5 years away make me laugh my ass off.

Embid only started playing for 5 years and he's the #3 pick and nobody is shocked. In 5 years, you could take somebody who hasn't touch a basketball and get him to nba-readiness if he has talent and athletic abilities.

Of course, the fact the he may come to NBASL suggests he's more like 1-2 years away at most.
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General manager Masai Ujiri promised Bruno Caboclo that the Raptors would take him.- Source TSN

This makes me respect the pick and even more.

He gave the young man his word he would bring him here.
The kid obviously really liked Mu and Mu really like him.

Sometimes you've got to go with your heart and gut vs. stats & analytics.

Mu is building a family.
He is creating a culture of love and respect. I dig it.
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if he turns out to be a good player.. we are set, that dude wouldn't leave this city

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Long arms does not make a good basketball player.

Thats the equvalent of saying a fat ugly chick has a good personality.

Well he has long arms!
Weeeeee!
Those things do not equate at all. Wtf? lol
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Long arms does not make a good basketball player.

Thats the equvalent of saying a fat ugly chick has a good personality.

Well he has long arms!
Weeeeee!

Wtf are you.....whaaaaa?
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Sure there was. My point was that it is a gamble and a big one that was unnecessary in that draft.
I disagree though. If there is super star potential at the 20th pick in the draft, to me that's a no brainer.

I get that it may have been possible to get him at #37. But then again, if MU who has way more inside info than most people, thought it's risky to wait that long, can you really be sure that wasn't the case?

It's one thing to reach from 5th to 15th and quite another to reach from 20 to 37. At that point in the draft, historically speaking, your chances of drafting even a serviceable player are pretty low. Maybe we could have gotten a guy who in 3-4 year would be a starter - would that really move the needle much for this franchise?

If, on the other hand, BC turns out to be a special talent, that's a home run of incalculable value.

We can only dream of a BC/Wiggins pairing 4-5 years from now with ennis running the point and JV anchoring the middle
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Long arms does not make a good basketball player.

Thats the equvalent of saying a fat ugly chick has a good personality.

Well he has long arms!
Weeeeee!
there is not one thing that absolutely, definitely makes a good bb player ... long arms, height, ball handling, shooting, IQ,intangibles - all are factors. Sometimes, one player has them all. Most often, you have to pick.

Long arms, height and athletic abilities (and probably intangibles) are the most critical since they can't be taught. Everything else, with the right raw materials, it's just work and patience.
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Wtf are you.....whaaaaa?
people are going on and on about his long arms.

Long arms are not the be all end all, and in this case I see it as more of a

Hey look we know nothing about him but he has long arms.

Not that complicated to understand.

And he needs alot more than long arms, good thing to have absolutely, just like a chick haveing a good personality.

But I would rather a hot bitch, that a nice fat chick. get it now?
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Long arms does not make a good basketball player.
No, it doesn't make you a good basketball player any more then being tall does. You are pointing out the obvious.

However, it does give you an advantage over your competition.
A young golfer who has specially designed bionic golf clubs has a chance to dominate the competition if he dedicates his life to the process.
This kid has bionic tools. If he commits his life to basketball the sky is the limit.

I trust Mu wouldn't waste such a high pick and go out on such a limb unless he saw something special in the kid.
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