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Old 02-23-2011, 07:50 AM   #41 (permalink)
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Not literally 30 years old and a day!
huh? I don't get what your quote means.

Whoever told you he was "broken down" at 30 is a blithering idiot. Don't listen to that person again. He was one of the most productive SGs in the league until the age of 32. He lead the worst supporting cast in the league (by far) to 34 wins at 32 years old. The next year without him they won 12 games - and they got the entire starting backcourt that got the Magic to the NBA Finals in exchange for him, and STILL dropped their wins by 22.

He didn't start "breaking down" at all until he got traded to the Magic at 32 years old. And even his first season with the Magic he still put up excellent production. It's not until this season at 34 that he has "broken down". So again, ignore the idiot who lied to you and look up the numbers yourself next time.

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Old 02-23-2011, 09:27 AM   #42 (permalink)
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Carter was still putting up 20/5/5 on 55% True Shooting at 32, so how was he broken down at 30? Those are all-star numbers. Your statement doesn't make sense. He lead the Nets to more wins in 2008-09 with a far inferior supporting cast compared to what Bosh had here, and got nothing but praise for the way he lead the young players like Lopez and Anderson that season.

To say he was "broken down" at 30 is even more idiotic. He put up 25/6/5 on a career-high 56% true shooting that season, and helped the 6th seed Nets beat the 3rd seed Raptors in the playoffs at 30, and made Chris Bosh look like a complete loser. Or have you blocked that series from your memory? 2006-07 was arguably Vince's best season production-wise. So who told you he was "broken down" by then?

It's one thing if you don't like the guy, but you're just outright lying.
I think that Kidd and RJ may have had something to do with that too.

And since when do you get praise for leading a team to 34 wins? Shit, Bosh led the Raps to 40 wins last season (with a horrible roster) and he barely gets any respect at all.
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Old 02-23-2011, 09:29 AM   #43 (permalink)
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I think that Kidd and RJ may have had something to do with that too.

And since when do you get praise for leading a team to 34 wins? Shit, Bosh led the Raps to 40 wins last season (with a horrible roster) and he barely gets any respect at all.
He's actually wrong because it was Mikki Moore and Jason Collins that made him look stupid.
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Old 02-23-2011, 09:31 AM   #44 (permalink)
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Vince deserved to get booed.. he gave up on the team and it showed on the court.. he didn't try during games, averaging 16 pts a game and letting Jalen Rose take the final shots during the dying minutes, Vince would hide in the 3-point corner..

and by doing that he decreased his value.. but when he got traded to New jersey he was like the Vince of old..

sounds like a dude that deserved to get BOOOOOOOED
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Old 02-23-2011, 09:32 AM   #45 (permalink)
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carter was broken down mentally long before he left toronto. and for any guy with such a weak character, even the slightest injury will hobble him. so yeah, he was broken down more often than not. and his natural talent still allowed him to sleepwalk to big numbers, even in his early 30's. but what's so disappointing about that, as a basketball fan, is how good he could have been if he had the slightest shred of mental toughness after his first few years in the league. Carter could have beena force to be reckoned with as a veteran, but instead was a hollow numbers sg, incapable of really boosting his team to quality wins. more than anything, it's just sad. i guess i guy can choose to make whatever he wants of himself, but as fans we had the chance to see something great and it was squandered by sheer pussiness.

call it broken down or call it weak character. either way he was a massive disappointment.
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Old 02-23-2011, 09:33 AM   #46 (permalink)
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He's actually wrong because it was Mikki Moore and Jason Collins that made him look stupid.
True enough... they doubled him a lot in that series too though.
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Old 02-23-2011, 09:40 AM   #47 (permalink)
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Really SJ? Im sure in 20 years from now people will sure as hell will remember Oak a hell of a more then Reggie Evans. And by the way Oak was a WAY better rebounder and defensive player than Reggie ever dreamt to be.....putting up 13 boards a game for a Raps squad that is allergic to rebounding for 6 weeks hardly compares to Oakleys career.
You're entitled to your opinion, and I respect it. I just know that often in sports a mans rep rides higher and a few steps ahead of his actual talent. Oakley falls into this category for me.

Everyone Remembers Vince missing the last shot against Philly in the Playoffs. Rarely does anyone talk about the missed layups, and turnovers down the stretch that Oakley provided to help get to that point.

He was what he was. A thug, and a strong motivator as a teammate. There is value in that for sure. But if he thinks he is leaps and bounds ahead of Reggie Evans, so far ahead that he can say something like that, unprovoked, about a good guy.... well he can go fuck himself, he's delusional.
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Old 02-23-2011, 09:56 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Funny, after all thats said, Oakleys comments abut todays player in the media yesterday, I 100% support. Thats the Oakley i like.

I just think he's being a dick for slagging Reggie for no reason. Especially when Reggie is a very rare throw back who actually plays like Oak did, and works hard like he did. It makes no sense to say such impressive things and rip todays players, then turn around and rip a guy who is the opposite of the guys you just spent 10 minutes ripping.
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Old 02-23-2011, 10:13 AM   #49 (permalink)
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I think you guys have to look at it form his perspective. These players which may or may not have abandoned this team. Also made it relevant for the years they were apart of this roster. They are the history of this franchise and held its hopes for their tenre here. IMO Oak is just saying why boo the ones who made you great.

Oakley is maybe the most intelligent (in terms of basketball IQ) player that has been apart of this team in its entire 15 years. When and if Wince Carter makes the Hall of Fame, his speech should run I like to thank God, My mom and Charles Oakley. Oakley had a hand in a lot of those points VC put up as a Raptor. Anyone comparing Reggie (I am a huge fan) to Oakley should go back and watch some tape. And if you think Oakley is cheap shot artist you should go back and watch some games from 84 to 98. Or ask Tomjanovich what happened to his face. You post hand check girls have to check yourselves.
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Old 02-23-2011, 10:24 AM   #50 (permalink)
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Sorry, apparently I was channeling my inner Oakley.
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Old 02-23-2011, 11:03 AM   #51 (permalink)
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I think you guys have to look at it form his perspective. These players which may or may not have abandoned this team. Also made it relevant for the years they were apart of this roster. They are the history of this franchise and held its hopes for their tenre here. IMO Oak is just saying why boo the ones who made you great.
Yes, they made it 'great' while playing for the team, however, you could make a compelling argument that the tarnished the reputation of the team as well and added to the argument that 'no one wants to play in Toronto'.

Vince will always deservedly get booed because of how he quit, yes quit, on that basketball court and openly stated he didn't play hard on some nights.

Oak can go shove it. If it wasn't for his behind the back passes in Game 7 against Philly, if it wasn't for playing on the perimeter and thinking he was some sort of PG, then that 'game winning' shot against Philly wouldn't have even been needed.

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Oakley is maybe the most intelligent (in terms of basketball IQ) player that has been apart of this team in its entire 15 years. When and if Wince Carter makes the Hall of Fame, his speech should run I like to thank God, My mom and Charles Oakley. Oakley had a hand in a lot of those points VC put up as a Raptor. Anyone comparing Reggie (I am a huge fan) to Oakley should go back and watch some tape. And if you think Oakley is cheap shot artist you should go back and watch some games from 84 to 98. Or ask Tomjanovich what happened to his face. You post hand check girls have to check yourselves.
I don't think Oak is even close to being the most intelligent player to play on this team. Hell, I'd argue that Jose Calderon off this current team has more knowledge than Oak does. I could list many others, it's just the name that jumps off the top of my head.

Also, the comparisons of Reggie to Oak are somewhat valid in terms of how they approach the game. They work hard for their baskets and do the small things i.e. rebounding, defending to make the game work. Yes, Oak was a better overall player, but to slag a guy who's game resembles yours is poor taste.
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Old 02-23-2011, 11:48 AM   #52 (permalink)
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Oakley is maybe the most intelligent (in terms of basketball IQ) player that has been apart of this team in its entire 15 years.
This is exactly what I mean about reps becoming bigger than a players actual ability.

Oakley was smart, sure, because he kept it simple and boxed out. Set proper picks. He was by no means a genius.

Once an idea is accepted by the masses though, it becomes fact, no matter how different that idea may be from actual fact.
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Old 02-23-2011, 11:50 AM   #53 (permalink)
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reggie will never be on oakley's level because reggie isn't a knock-down shooter from three and doesn't make crisp behind the back, no-look passes in crunch time.
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Old 02-23-2011, 11:51 AM   #54 (permalink)
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I appreciate your subtle humour!


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Old 02-23-2011, 11:56 AM   #55 (permalink)
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combine this with a nice toss into the 3rd row.... nice game.
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:14 PM   #56 (permalink)
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Don't forget when he got a loose ball and decided to dribble the length of the floor and got stripped from behind by Iverson.
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:25 PM   #57 (permalink)
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yep.

Glass house Oak... come on buddy, don't be that guy!!!!!
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:36 PM   #58 (permalink)
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Oakley was a better player than Reggie, in all facets of the game with the exception of offensive rebounding.
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Old 02-23-2011, 12:38 PM   #59 (permalink)
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no reason to talk shit in the mass media like that and belittle Reggie...
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Old 02-23-2011, 02:01 PM   #60 (permalink)
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I could see why Oakley would correct a reporter after being lumped into the same category as Toronto's fan favourites such as Reggie, JYD and Bonner.


Reggie's been our best player this season, but outside of Toronto he's still know as the guy who caressed that other guys' balls during a game. He's a hustle player on a bad team.

Oakley never won a championship, but he was part of intense playoff battles year after year competing with the best in the game. He was an important piece to every team he played on.


They aren't in the same conversation.

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