O.K.....So a new GM comes in...
Old 03-20-2010, 07:13 PM   #1 (permalink)
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O.K.....So a new GM comes in...

We all know that Colangelo has some things yet to prove and therefore there are some moves that he would not make because it would mean admitting defeat again.

I think it's important to look at the team for what is best without a personal stake like Colangelo has.

So let's say a new Gm comes in...no politics, no pride and the ability to start off with a clean slate again without taking any flack. What is the first and most important thing you think should be done in the summer?

I'm thinking for the sake of balance on this team, either Bargnani or Bosh has to go along with one of the contracts that has not worked out. (Turk? Calderon?) To be realistic, Bosh is the prize here for another team, so if he must go, he must go with something that helps clean out a bad fit. Somehow, a ball handler who can defend must land in Toronto, preferably with a capable big man.
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Old 03-20-2010, 07:45 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Pointless exercise.

Colangelo isn't going anywhere.
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Old 03-20-2010, 07:48 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Pointless exercise.

Colangelo isn't going anywhere.
I fuckin' hope not!
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Old 03-20-2010, 10:29 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Colangelo is willing to admit he is wrong. Look at the O'Neal situation. The only problem is that Turkoglu and Calderon have little value, so he has to attempt to shine the turd, he can't admit he made a mistake when the mistakes are still on his roster.

There aren't a lot of significant moves that can be made, short of figuring out how to either keep Bosh or get some value for him. Its gonna be a rough 3-4-5 years if the long-term contracts don't figure out how to get it done.
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Old 03-20-2010, 10:33 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Pointless exercise.

Colangelo isn't going anywhere.
No, you're missing the point. Colangelo has already had a few "oops". He's gotten out of them, but it starts to look like shots in the dark from the outside. I know I can think of one or 2 moves that Colangelo could make, but I don't think he would because it would mean admitting he needs another mulligan just to move this team forward.

Anybody in here can think of some scenario that could help, followed by saying to yourself..."But, Colangelo wouldn't do that now, would he"?

-move Bosh: Why didn't you do it before and get more for him than a sign and trade would bring?...see Raptors franchise player history
-move Bargnani: So, you're giving up on you're prized pick that would round into form some day and be a star, huh?
-move Calderon: Why's Jack not starting right now if he's to be the starting point guard?
-move Jack: That guy you signed to $8mil/per can't defend or stay healthy and he's now in charge of this team alone?
-move Derozan: Did you make another second rate first round pick?
-move Hedo: Good luck trying, and if you did, you'd have to take just as ineffective back...while admitting failure and over-payment.
-move Evans: Didn't you say he was the toughness, defense and rebounding answer? So why is he leaving now?

And as a matter of fact, didn't you say that this was the best team you've put together here?

I'm saying including those kinds of scenarios, what are the best moves for the TEAM, regardless of how it might look for an individual?
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Old 03-20-2010, 10:49 PM   #6 (permalink)
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No, you're missing the point. Colangelo has already had a few "oops". He's gotten out of them, but it starts to look like shots in the dark from the outside. I know I can think of one or 2 moves that Colangelo could make, but I don't think he would because it would mean admitting he needs another mulligan just to move this team forward.

Anybody in here can think of some scenario that could help, followed by saying to yourself..."But, Colangelo wouldn't do that now, would he"?

-move Bosh: Why didn't you do it before and get more for him than a sign and trade would bring?...see Raptors franchise player history
-move Bargnani: So, you're giving up on you're prized pick that would round into form some day and be a star, huh?
-move Calderon: Why's Jack not starting right now if he's to be the starting point guard?
-move Jack: That guy you signed to $8mil/per can't defend or stay healthy and he's now in charge of this team alone?
-move Derozan: Did you make another second rate first round pick?
-move Hedo: Good luck trying, and if you did, you'd have to take just as ineffective back...while admitting failure and over-payment.
-move Evans: Didn't you say he was the toughness, defense and rebounding answer? So why is he leaving now?

And as a matter of fact, didn't you say that this was the best team you've put together here?

I'm saying including those kinds of scenarios, what are the best moves for the TEAM, regardless of how it might look for an individual?
I think you're missing a basic fundamental of pro sports. Teams are almost always going to close ranks around the players currently on the roster. Every guy is a contributor, every guy is a great piece. Every guy has a role. They aren't going to come out and say, well, he's only here because we had to balance salaries in that deal. Moving a guy isn't an admission of being wrong, it is making an adjustment and adding a different piece(s).

I haven't seen anything that would indicate that Colangelo is too proud to do his job. If anything, throughout his career we have seen the opposite. What did you expect him to do? The trade deadline came during the best stretch in franchise history. He still tried to make moves, but it is likely the guys he was offering had no value. How could he trade Bosh? He isn't going to get anything back. At least in the off-season, he'll have a chance to get something in a sign-and-trade when teams have more roster/cap flexibility. If he would have been traded before the deadline he would have got a package similar to what the Raps got for VC, essentially cap space.
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BC mistake was not the players it the Coach he hired Jay Traino.
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Old 03-20-2010, 11:41 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I think you're missing a basic fundamental of pro sports. Teams are almost always going to close ranks around the players currently on the roster. Every guy is a contributor, every guy is a great piece. Every guy has a role. They aren't going to come out and say, well, he's only here because we had to balance salaries in that deal. Moving a guy isn't an admission of being wrong, it is making an adjustment and adding a different piece(s).

I haven't seen anything that would indicate that Colangelo is too proud to do his job. If anything, throughout his career we have seen the opposite. What did you expect him to do? The trade deadline came during the best stretch in franchise history. He still tried to make moves, but it is likely the guys he was offering had no value. How could he trade Bosh? He isn't going to get anything back. At least in the off-season, he'll have a chance to get something in a sign-and-trade when teams have more roster/cap flexibility. If he would have been traded before the deadline he would have got a package similar to what the Raps got for VC, essentially cap space.
You don't have to defend Colangelo in terms of whether he says publicly that a player is a good piece going through a bad stretch, etc. I understand having to present your assets as high value.

But I have listened to his own comments closely because he seems pretty deliberate with his words. He said that he was so incensed last year that people were saying his roster is flawed, then he went out and dismantled the thing. He hears it and he doesn't like it. It's not whether you had to fix a couple of mistakes, it's whether you have to keep doing about faces. it's different then.

So, once again, the question was what to do with the roster, regardless of saving face...Or I could be wrong, maybe everyone else thinks he's just about to trade Bargnani for Raja Bell and a big man?

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