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Old 12-18-2012, 12:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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“He’s going to be a nightmare for us just because of his speed,” Casey said of Kyrie Irving, Cleveland’s point guard. The Raptors play the Cavaliers on Tuesday night. “You can’t coach, you can’t teach that.”

It has been a while that opposing coaches have had cause to discuss a Raptors point guard with such reverence. Jose Calderon is an intelligent, if obviously flawed, player. T.J. Ford had trouble staying healthy, while Alvin Williams was far grittier than he was an elite talent. Basically, Damon Stoudamire, the Raptors’ first starting point guard, remains the most talented point guard in franchise history.

That was supposed to change with Kyle Lowry, acquired for a conditional first-round draft pick in July. Lowry, a contributor in every facet of the game, impressed early, averaging 23.7 points, 7.3 rebounds and 7.0 assists through his first three games.

And then the Raptors season went sideways: Lowry injured his ankle in Oklahoma City, the Raptors started to lose, Lowry came back at half-speed. The Raptors continued to lose. That culminated with a disastrous five-game road trip in which both Lowry and Calderon struggled in their roles, the Raptors had a locker-room meeting in Utah to air a series of grievances and — the coup de grace — finished with Andrea Bargnani and Lowry, the two players at the centre of the Utah discussion, suffering significant injuries in Portland.

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Lowry should return to the lineup, based on his projected 10-day absence because of a torn triceps, after the Raptors’ four-day holiday break. In the last three games, the Raptors have held their opponents to 41.7% shooting, a massive accomplishment for what was essentially the worst defence in the league before that stretch.

“I think he understands what we’re trying to do defensively,” Casey said of Lowry. “He has some defensive habits: He’s a gambler. He’s a lot like Gary Payton. He’s always running [at] the ball … If the ball gets on the floor, he’s going to come out with it. With that, you might give up an open shot to someone else because you came too far to help. Those little things right there, he’s learning not to do. But instinctively, it’s a big part of who he is and made him the good player that he is. But some of those habits, we have to rein back a little bit.”

As for the offence, which produced 29 assists on 39 field-goal attempts against Houston: “With us, there’s nobody on our roster [who should dominate the ball],” said Casey, who was not talking specifically about Lowry. “It should always be moving from side to side, then attack the basket or take your shot.”

It is undeniable that Casey trusts Calderon more than Lowry at the moment, and you can understand why: They have been together for longer, and Calderon is selfless to a fault — and it is often a fault. Lowry’s best offensive trait is his ability to break his man off of the dribble, and that can lead to some stagnant possessions.
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But this is not the like the Raptors’ point-guard controversies of the past. Lowry is 26 and signed to an affordable contract for the next two seasons. Calderon is 31 and will be a free agent after the season.

Whenever Lowry does return, it is on both coach and player to make this relationship work. Lowry can be a handful to deal with, but he is also tough-minded. He is the type of player you want on a good team. However, Lowry has not done much winning at the NBA level, for a variety of reasons, some having nothing to do with him. He has to acquiesce, occasionally, to his coach.

The Raptors, likely without a draft pick this year and without significant salary cap room in either of the next two years, have an elite talent in Lowry, and should treasure him. Lowry, who already has some questionable history with two other organizations, is risking being permanently labelled a negative locker-room presence if he fails to seize his opportunity in Toronto. Both parties need each other. They should both start acting like it.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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And speaking of our latest PG controversy...

A lot of you have shat on Bargnani, and rightly so, when he was starting over others, like Ed or Amir, potentially more deserving players. Well, if we look on the face of it, so far this season Lowry hasn't done anything to suggest that he should start over Jose Calderon. Forget the team's records with each starting (clearly in favour of Jose) - check out their season stats (combined stats, mind you, with a lot of Jose's minutes coming with the second, scoring-challenged unit):

Lowry:

16 games, 31.0 MPG, 0.406 FG%, 0.342 3pFG%, 0.818 FT%, 5.6 RPG, 5.8 APG, 1.6 SPG 0.6 BPG, 2.6 TOG, 15.8 PPG

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25 games, 28.2 MPG, 0.426 FG%, 0.442 3pFG%, 0.902 FT%, 2.4 RPG, 7.1 APG, 0.6 SPG, 0.2 BPG, 1.8 TOG 10.1 PPG

Do those stats look like Lowry is clearly the better player? And those are individual stats only. On top of that, one might want to consider that the offence appears to be working better with Calderon at the helm - so, in the "making others better" department, Jose is actually ahead at the moment.

I will admit, we don't have enough evidence on what would happen if Lowry stays healthy for long stretches and actually learns his teammates and where/how they should be getting the ball. But at this point, and precisely because he needs time to do that, I'd bring him off the bench and ask him to prove that he is a better player by actually playing like one at the PG spot.
I rarely quote myself, but this is actually relevant...
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:42 PM   #3 (permalink)
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the article makes an important point.... maybe Lowry's trade value isn't what some of us would think despite all of the hype he receives. He may already be seen as a player that isn't a winner by rival organizations. The fact that he couldn't get along with a player's coach is telling. We may be stuck with him in terms of value management. I'm not sure letting Jose go is a good idea unless we get some good value for him.... cause if Lowry can't right his own sinking reputation, things could get even uglier.
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Old 12-18-2012, 12:59 PM   #4 (permalink)
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the article makes an important point.... maybe Lowry's trade value isn't what some of us would think despite all of the hype he receives.
We've been trying to trade Calderon for over two years and can't get decent value. What's his excuse?
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The Raptors, likely without a draft pick this year and without significant salary cap room in either of the next two years, have an elite talent in Lowry, and should treasure him.

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We've been trying to trade Calderon for over two years and can't get decent value. What's his excuse?
He needs better defensive and offensive players around him.
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He needs better defensive and offensive players around him.
So do 20 other PG's in the NBA.
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We've been trying to trade Calderon for over two years and can't get decent value. What's his excuse?
that's not even addressing my point. Dude, stop hunting for something to respond to.
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that's not even addressing my point. Dude, stop hunting for something to respond to.
Not hunting, just asking a question.
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I can't believe how far the doubt for Lowry has gone. Some Raptors fans have no clue and must love mediocrity. The guy has played very good all year,mostly through injury too. The guy is averaging 15/5/5,leading in PER and getting over 2 spg. Whoever thinks these numbers won't improve as he gets more familiar with his new teammates is an idiot. It will also reflect on the team's performance. The only legit concern is his ability to stay healthy but at 26,he's a solid PG to have going forward. Raptors fans and the media love to create inner battles and this prevents the team from progressing. Instead of measuring the player's against the best from opposing teams,it's Bargnani vs Davis or Lowry vs Calderón or Derozan vs Ross,I don't get this but hey it must be a Toronto thing. I guess people with that mentality believe "if we can beat ourselves then we can beat anybody",sounds like twisted logic to me. It shouldn't be about outplaying your teammate but rather your opponent.
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Not hunting, just asking a question.
You can't trade when your team stinks.... and expect to get value. Look at who's been playing with Jose the last three years. That's all the excuse he needs. If you think an underdeveloped Demar and a shitty Sonny Weems is good enough.....
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I can't believe how far the doubt for Lowry has gone. Some Raptors fans have no clue and must love mediocrity. The guy has played very good all year,mostly through injury too. The guy is averaging 15/5/5,leading in PER and getting over 2 spg. Whoever thinks these numbers won't improve as he gets more familiar with his new teammates is an idiot. It will also reflect on the team's performance. The only legit concern is his ability to stay healthy but at 26,he's a solid PG to have going forward. Raptors fans and the media love to create inner battles and this prevents the team from progressing. Instead of measuring the player's against the best from opposing teams,it's Bargnani vs Davis or Lowry vs Calderón or Derozan vs Ross,I don't get this but hey it must be a Toronto thing. I guess people with that mentality believe "if we can beat ourselves then we can beat anybody",sounds like twisted logic to me. It shouldn't be about outplaying your teammate but rather your opponent.
I think a problem related to that is because BC being his idiotic self decided to stock up on certain positions (ex.SG - LF, DD, Ross) while leaving 1 position absolutely bare (SF).
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I can't believe how far the doubt for Lowry has gone. Some Raptors fans have no clue and must love mediocrity. The guy has played very good all year,mostly through injury too. The guy is averaging 15/5/5,leading in PER and getting over 2 spg. Whoever thinks these numbers won't improve as he gets more familiar with his new teammates is an idiot. It will also reflect on the team's performance. The only legit concern is his ability to stay healthy but at 26,he's a solid PG to have going forward. Raptors fans and the media love to create inner battles and this prevents the team from progressing. Instead of measuring the player's against the best from opposing teams,it's Bargnani vs Davis or Lowry vs Calderón or Derozan vs Ross,I don't get this but hey it must be a Toronto thing. I guess people with that mentality believe "if we can beat ourselves then we can beat anybody",sounds like twisted logic to me. It shouldn't be about outplaying your teammate but rather your opponent.
Agreed.

I wouldn't write off Lowry yet. He played well at the start of the season (like the article stated) and then came back from an injury, presumable not at 100%and struggled. Lowry needs to be given a chance. He has no trade value right now, but has the potential to be a great starter for this organization.

This team needs definition. It doesn't need players competing for positions within the organization. It needs 5 starters and a few solid bench players. Lowry has to be the starting PG when he comes back and Calderon needs to be traded.
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WS/48:
Lowry .145
Calderon .123

Net team ORTG (on vs off court):
Lowry: +1.9
Calderon: -3.5

If you think the individual stats or impact on the team's offense point to Calderon being a better PG, you might be mistaken.

You can actually make a case defensively right now, but the offense has definitely run better under Lowry. The team still has to get it together defensively when Lowry is playing.
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I think a problem related to that is because BC being his idiotic self decided to stock up on certain positions (ex.SG - LF, DD, Ross) while leaving 1 position absolutely bare (SF).
Very true! I don know if there's a shortage of quality SF's in the league but ideally,Pietrus,Anderson, Derozan,Ross,Fields are all SG's. They're essentially running two SG'S when Kleiza's not on the floor with the bigger of the two guarding the opposing teams SF.
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The dude was fighting his injury as much as he was fighting opposing teams. I can't wait to see that come to an end. I saw enough of Alvin, and even Jose, just trying to stay in games. I really hope that if the foot still effects him at all, that he learns to play within himself all the same. It could be a positive if he approaches it the right way.
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All the PER and win shares mean dick all if your teammates don't want to play for you. Stephon Marbury had a PER over 20 for most of his good years but he was a selfish douche who couldn't lead a team anywhere.

Alan Anderson just came out today and said Jose was a great leader. The writing is on the wall for Lowry.
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All the PER and win shares mean dick all if your teammates don't want to play for you. Stephon Marbury had a PER over 20 for most of his good years but he was a selfish douche who couldn't lead a team anywhere.

Alan Anderson just came out today and said Jose was a great leader. The writing is on the wall for Lowry.
Certainly. If a guy that hasn't been in the league for a full year compliments a player that is playing really well at the moment, then you clearly must see another guy as being a selfish douche.

Lowry is in no way shape or form anything like Stephon Marbury. Where are you getting this idea that nobody wants to play with him? Not anywhere in reality.
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Certainly. If a guy that hasn't been in the league for a full year compliments a player that is playing really well at the moment, then you clearly must see another guy as being a selfish douche.

Lowry is in no way shape or form anything like Stephon Marbury. Where are you getting this idea that nobody wants to play with him? Not anywhere in reality.
This is the forum where Lowry had a 34pts/11asts/5reb game about two weeks ago and someone called him selfish. Nothing surprises me. A forum where the writing is on the Wall for Lowry after 15 games played and a week ago Jose was in the doghouse. lol
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