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Old 12-30-2011, 02:30 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I still say that Bargs is the likely guy. He can net us more.
not necessarily.... trading Bargs could bring back bad salary too. Ed could easily be swapped for another young player at another position. Besides, we should be able to get a better guard for ed cause teams generally crave talented size.
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Old 12-30-2011, 07:50 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Teams do make moves based on their belief in their ability to make a run in the playoffs, as well as the other end of the spectrum, based on financial need.

We're not talking about Baron Davis and Gilbert Arenas coming here in the off-season. If there is a younger player available who can grow with the team and become a contender, then giddy-up!

Colangelo hasn't been sitting here for 2 years with egg on his face only to NOT swing for the fence somewhere. He's not that guy. It just doesn't have to be a bad move just because it happens within the next 6-9 months.

Even though some people don't like it, your starting 2, 4 and 5 are likely locked in for years (DD, Bargs, Jo Lunchbox) So here is your chance to make a big splash with a ball dominant guy. It's all opinion, so I guess Colangelo could trade half the team and go in a totally different direction. But this is Colangelo's Steve Nash moment. Does that sound like it would be a guy like Hill?

If it is, we're probably headed for a life as the 2nd tier contender Atlanta Hawks. Take a good look at our competition.
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Old 12-30-2011, 08:12 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Nobody is locked in. Just like Stackhouse was not locked in for Detroit. Just like Micheal Redd shouldn't have been locked in for the Bucks.

Steve Nash moment? That would be fine, considering Nash was very much on BC's radar from the time Nash was drafted, or I suppose before that, and he was clearly part of a blueprint even while he played in Dallas.

And a blueprint means forgetting about the competition. A good, well-balanced team can beat a team with a few big names. The first step will be to compete. From there you can have a much better hope of having the big names look at your team and say giddy-up. I am doubting Westbrook is thinking of riding bareback to Toronto at the moment. So even if he somehow ended up here, chances are it wouldn't work. It certainly wouldn't be a sure fire way to bring long-term success, which is what I'm looking for as a fan. Give me a decade of 60-win teams. First off, that would be fun even without a championship. Secondly, having ten years of being able to legitimately fight for the big prize would increase the chances of winning it as much as anything.

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Old 12-30-2011, 09:44 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Bargnani is locked in baby!



I agree about the losing.... not good.
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Old 12-30-2011, 10:09 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Bargnani is much more apt to be jumping away from his guard, or on help, than he is to be locked in.
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Bargnani is much more apt to be jumping away from his guard, or on help, than he is to be locked in.
I share your optimism! He looks fantastic tonight!
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I share your optimism! He looks fantastic tonight!
He looks much improved thus far, but locked in on defense - not even close.
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Give me a decade of 60-win teams. First off, that would be fun even without a championship. Secondly, having ten years of being able to legitimately fight for the big prize would increase the chances of winning it as much as anything.
there have been only 14 60 win teams in the last 10 years in the whole nba and you are looking for the raps to do it 10 years in a row? maybe i'm taking you too literally, but even 10 straight 55 win seasons would be, if not extraordinary, at least very remarkable. seems like a pretty high expectation.
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there have been only 14 60 win teams in the last 10 years in the whole nba and you are looking for the raps to do it 10 years in a row? maybe i'm taking you too literally, but even 10 straight 55 win seasons would be, if not extraordinary, at least very remarkable. seems like a pretty high expectation.
Ok - give me ten years of being capable of winning 60. I expressed my thoughts poorly there.
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i'd be happy with 5, but i see your point.
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I'd be happy with one. But the goal should be long-term.
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Old 12-31-2011, 03:40 AM   #52 (permalink)
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If he continues to improve does that mean BC was right to choose him as #1 pick
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If he continues to improve does that mean BC was right to choose him as #1 pick
hahaha....the pot gets stired.....
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If he continues to improve does that mean BC was right to choose him as #1 pick
It's obvious that he was a strong selection at #1 in that awful draft. Aldridge obviously would have been a better choice, but tyrus thomas, adam morrison and sheldon williams would have been disasters. Rudy Gay went 8th..... there was very little discussion that he should go #1 although he was considered a prospect with top potential in the draft.

It's time to ignore his draft position and look at his value in terms of production and cost. 9 Million. Seriously. That's more than fair.
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It's obvious that he was a strong selection at #1 in that awful draft. Aldridge obviously would have been a better choice, but tyrus thomas, adam morrison and sheldon williams would have been disasters. Rudy Gay went 8th..... there was very little discussion that he should go #1 although he was considered a prospect with top potential in the draft.

It's time to ignore his draft position and look at his value in terms of production and cost. 9 Million. Seriously. That's more than fair.
Agreed. But it's also time to figure out if and how he fits with this team long term.
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Regarding Ed Davis - I think this is the perfect role for him at this point in his career. He's picked up 3 fouls in avg 19 minutes in 2 of 3 games. Like a young Amir, he's a defender with great instincts but a foul magnet. If we would be to move Bargs and move Ed to the starting PF, he's be on the bench in foul trouble in every single game.

Right now Ed gets to work on his game and is shooting a lights out 75% from the field. He's in a great garbage collector/defender role for him. If Bargs goes out with injury at any point, it will give him space to flourish without the pressure of being the full-time starter.

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You know who would look great with that core?

RUBIOOOOOOOOOO
I just wet myself thinking about that. It will never happen though. I am actually somewhat excited for Minnesota games, which is shocking when you think about the rest of their team (Kevin Love is aight too).
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