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We still get outrebounded EVERY game by a large margin, we still lose the points in the paint EVERY game by a wide margin, so truely, is there a big difference from last year?
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Defensive presence=more blocked shots and thats it
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We still get outrebounded EVERY game by a large margin, we still lose the points in the paint EVERY game by a wide margin, so truely, is there a big difference from last year?
Kapono is playing better.,...Moon is playing worse. Other than that,....no
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Old 11-08-2008, 02:23 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Nope .... we're pretty on par for the type of team we've been for the last 5 or 6 years. No harm in that eh?
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Old 11-08-2008, 02:40 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Kapono is playing better.,...Moon is playing worse. Other than that,....no
Kapono is fucking TERRIBLE.

I hate him.

Seems like a fun guy though.
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From what I've seen we get killed whenever Bargs is out there.

The guy needs to initiate contact on his box outs. People just run around him.

JO hasn't been amazing on the boards. Better than Bargs though, and about as good as Rasho.
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From what I've seen we get killed whenever Bargs is out there.

The guy needs to initiate contact on his box outs. People just run around him.

JO hasn't been amazing on the boards. Better than Bargs though, and about as good as Rasho.
You really have something against Bargs eh?
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I've loved bargs, but his role is weird. This is all so far too, it' sonly 4 games.
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Old 11-08-2008, 06:47 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I don't hate Bargs, the guy just can't rebound.

If you can't rebound then you can't play regular minutes at PF/C in the NBA. He obviously can't play any other position, so he better learn how to rebound or forget about having a career.

Unlike many on this site I haven't called for him to be traded. I think that eventually he will learn how to rebound, and when he does he'll be able to show off his considerable offensive skills.

Also, as a project player, his trade value is very low. This is because he can't rebound, and as everyone knows, if you can't rebound then you can't play regular minutes at PF/C in the NBA.
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I really think we've seen some positive things from Bargs this year. Let's be honest, the guy is never going to be a big time rebounder, so if you're looking for that to happen, don't hold your breath. While you can teach the theory behind rebounding and show guys what they are supposed to do, if they aren't naturally inclined to get in there and get dirty, it just ain't gonna happen.

I like that we have seen him not afraid to put the ball on the floor immediately and attack defenses. Contrary to what happens with rebounding, you can actually teach a guy to attack the basket and see some results, because there are a variety of ways that you can attack from close range. Bargs doesn't have to be dunking on people, he just has to get them to respect that he can put it on the floor, thus creating opportunities for his shots.

You also can't complain about the D he has been playing this year. The effort has been there and he has been putting up a few blocks, which shows that this season, he is in the right place a little more often.

Nope, can't complain about Bargs right now.
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nothings changed?

That maybe holds true with many Raptors fans. Lose a few games and the sky is falling. Win a few and we're elite again right? seems to be the same every year.

As SJ mentioned,we've played 5 freaking games.

And please put an end to this Bargnani bashing. It's lame and unwarranted. Dude has been one of our better players this year, and definately the most improved.
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Bargnani is probably the 3 or 4th bestplayer on the team this year, and he plays hard everytime on the court.
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Old 11-09-2008, 12:21 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Not really saying much... considering only Jose and Bosh have been consistent this year, being the 4th or 5th best player on a team of guys that arent playing well... well, gratz Bargs!!!

Yes. it's still early, but these rebounding and points in and paint stats are very very ugly and very scary. For all the love BC gets, it seems he just wants to build Phx north, but without the Diaws, Bells and Marions that really make a team with that style work (but not win it all).

BTW is Bargs playing well those times he immediately turns around after someone launches and brick, not even trying for the board, and Sam starts screaming at him?? Has happened more then a few times, he still gives up on plays, like when Prince dribble backwards Bargs was like, wow this is too much work...
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