No more rebounding problems?
Old 01-29-2009, 11:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Looking back at all the games since the new year I thought this was interesting.... maybe our rebounding isn't as bad as we thought?

15 games since Jan.1


Jan. 28 vs. NJ = +3

Jan. 25 vs. SAC = +11

Jan. 23 vs. CHI = -7

Jan. 21 vs. DET = -12

Jan. 19 vs. ATL = +9

Jan. 18 vs. PHX = -1

Jan. 16 vs. IND = +11

Jan. 14 vs. CHI = -10

Jan. 12 vs. BOS = -9

Jan. 11 vs. BOS = +1

Jan. 9 vs. MEM = +5

Jan. 7 vs. WAS = +7

Jan. 5 vs. MIL = -5

Jan. 4 vs. ORL = +8

Jan. 2 vs. HOU = -6

Only the games against CHI, DET and BOS stand out as games where we really got pounded on the glass.... otherwise we're not doing too badly.

I think that the effort that the guards/wings have made to rebound the ball has helped A LOT.
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Prob because we clog the middle and give up jumpers all game, but it helps our boards.
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I'm too lazy to look, but I'm more curious to see what our offensive rebounding numbers look like.
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Old 01-29-2009, 11:18 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I'm too lazy to look, but I'm more curious to see what our offensive rebounding numbers look like.
Now you're just being a picky bitch. : |

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I think we are still a weak overall rebounding club.. stats can be misleading because they take into account those ones that fall into our guards laps. We dont' have any crash the boards rebounders other than Humphries and until we have more guys with his attitude we'll get outrebounded almost everytime when it counts.
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I think we are still a weak overall rebounding club.. stats can be misleading because they take into account those ones that fall into our guards laps. We dont' have any crash the boards rebounders other than Humphries and until we have more guys with his attitude we'll get outrebounded almost everytime when it counts.
+1, we still miss a lot of defensive rebounds. There was one particulary anoying yesterday when Calde was on Carter. Carter shot a 3 and automatically went inside for the long rebound and easy floater. Calde stood still in the three point line.
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Old 01-29-2009, 11:34 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I think we are still a weak overall rebounding club.. stats can be misleading because they take into account those ones that fall into our guards laps. We dont' have any crash the boards rebounders other than Humphries and until we have more guys with his attitude we'll get outrebounded almost everytime when it counts.
There HAVE been those games too though where Joey and Bosh and Bargs have stepped up huge and grabbed big rebounds for us at key times....

I agree though for the most part. I really wonder at this point though if Marion makes us a better rebonding team? If JO's healthy I think it's almost a wash.
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Old 01-29-2009, 12:27 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I have thought for some time that rebounding has been over-emphasized as a weakness. They do suck on offensive boards, but then for the longest time they have shot pretty good percentages as well, limiting the chances for offensive boards.

To me the real issue is overall hustle plays. There were a couple of instances last night where guys just watched the ball. I think it might have been on the same play that Bel mentioned - Carter grabbed a rebound, and Moon watched it the whole way without moving a step, and if he had he could have at least challenged Carter for possession. Another time Parker watched a ball go out of bounds after it had bounced off of Bosh after Harris lost control of the ball. The inability to get extra possessions by just getting after loose balls is where they are getting hurt more than anything. Bosh was diving on the floor again last night, but other than him there's just none of that.
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There HAVE been those games too though where Joey and Bosh and Bargs have stepped up huge and grabbed big rebounds for us at key times....

I agree though for the most part. I really wonder at this point though if Marion makes us a better rebonding team? If JO's healthy I think it's almost a wash.
JO is not impressing me as a rebounder. Bargnani is controlling more space around the basket than him, and Bosh is more athletic than him. In 50-50 scenarios he almost always loses. Marion could easily bring an improvement over him, but I would look forward to who comes after Marion leaves, unless Marion suddenly decides he doesn't want the huge contract.
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Old 01-29-2009, 01:35 PM   #10 (permalink)
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jo is by far our best rebounder in traffic, with bosh, Bargnani and moon running behind. Considering he's smaller than Andreea and Chris, and he's playing on hobbling legs, it's pretty impressive imo.

Andreea has become our best player when it comes to box out, and Moon is great at times, when he feels like, and inexistant in other games.
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Old 01-29-2009, 06:35 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I think we are still a weak overall rebounding club.. stats can be misleading because they take into account those ones that fall into our guards laps. We dont' have any crash the boards rebounders other than Humphries and until we have more guys with his attitude we'll get outrebounded almost everytime when it counts.
So we can assume that when Toronto rebounds well, it's only because our guards got Lucky and easy boards fell inot thier laps.

When they do not so well, it's because the other team asserted thier Viking like will upon Toronto, wit every single board being the result of hard work, and straight up Viking power and savage will?

Got it.

Damned when ya do, damned when ya don't.

Typical of Toronto fans.
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Old 01-29-2009, 07:12 PM   #12 (permalink)
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So we can assume that when Toronto rebounds well, it's only because our guards got Lucky and easy boards fell inot thier laps.

When they do not so well, it's because the other team asserted thier Viking like will upon Toronto, wit every single board being the result of hard work, and straight up Viking power and savage will?

Got it.

Damned when ya do, damned when ya don't.

Typical of Toronto fans.
Yeah - I would say when they don't do so well they simply get outhustled, and that hurts them beyond the rebounds. When they rebound better it's likely that the other team doesn't have that kind of motor guy that would take advantage of the lack of hustle on this team.

Looking at the list I see a lot of shit teams with holes that we competed with on the boards. What is the purpose of this thread again?
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Old 01-29-2009, 09:37 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Prob because we clog the middle and give up jumpers all game, but it helps our boards.
bingo.....for some odd reason sam wanted players funnelled to the paint.we were getting abused hardcore.forcing outside has helped tremendously.
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I agree with Ugo and Claudius. Can someone with some time and energy look difference in offensive rebound numbers.... that'll be a better indicator.
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Old 01-29-2009, 11:33 PM   #15 (permalink)
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apparently we are the worst team in the league when it comes to offensive rebounding.
But that's not surprising considering that Bosh and Andreea both play 18-20ft from the basket, kind of hard to get offensive rebounds from there ...
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Old 01-29-2009, 11:34 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Offensive rebounding is the truest way of finding how good a rebounder is, or a team at rebounding, often defensive boards just come right to you.
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I completely disagree, offensive rebounding depends a lot on what kind of players you have on your team. If you look at the list of top offensive rebounders, none of the players in the top 5 have a reliable (if at all) jump shot. These players are forced to play near the basket, since they are useless if they leave the paint.

In the top 15, only 4 players are good jump shooters, and two of them (Gasol and Yao) are very tall (7.2 or more), the other two are CB4 and Aldridge. The vast majority of the top offensive rebounders are either playing close to the basket, either very tall, or they are energy guys.
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no, the true great rebounders have a high amount of offense boards, and guys that get alot of "soft" boards like Murphy have virtually none, but their team lacks good bigs. I will always judge the true rebounding greats by offensive, it's simply a more impressive stat, you can take into account of course the position, bigs will obv get more then guards, but bigs are the best rebounders anyways...
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bingo.....for some odd reason sam wanted players funnelled to the paint.we were getting abused hardcore.forcing outside has helped tremendously.
Unless we face a good 3pt shooting team.
The lane clogging does not defend against drive-and-kicks, so any team becomes good in 3pt, getting open looks. We need to ease back on collapsing. Its great when Moon, Graham and Parker are all blocking Carter layup, with our bigs nearby, but come on.. that means at least two of their perimeter guys were open at the time.
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We suck at offensive boards because we spent a whole season getting killed in transition and need to make sure that is the main focus, we face teams that clog the lane as the primary way of beating us, and we make a lot of shots or go to the line. Throw in the lack of early offense this team gets, and you aren't going to get opportunities with defenses scrambling.

Again - I think people put way too much emphasis on rebounding as an isolated issue.
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