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jeffb 05-03-2012 10:42 PM

Next season's NBA risers
 
Next Year's Risers - Rotating Rotations - Rotoworld.com


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2. Jerryd Bayless, PG, Raptors
Bayless was featured in this column last year (along with Jared Dudley, Gordon Hayward, James Harden, Kris Humphries and C.J. Miles). It didn’t work out as planned. Bayless logged 22.4 minutes in 2010-11 and 22.7 minutes in 2011-12. So what will be different in 2012-13?

First of all, Jose Calderon’s $10.5 million contract is finally up after next season. He’ll be a prime trade candidate this summer and as the trade deadline approaches. Additionally, Bayless showed the ability to play point guard effectively. He started 11 games this season, but only five of those came at point guard. During that small span, Bayless averaged 21.8 points, 7.6 assists, 3.6 rebounds, 2.4 3-pointers and 1.8 steals. The Raptors went a respectable 2-3, posting wins at Cleveland and at Memphis. It’s a taste of what’s to come if/when Calderon moves on.
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5. Ed Davis, PF, Raptors
There are a lot of similarities between Ed Davis and the aforementioned Favors. Davis was also drafted in 2010, will be just 23 in June and his path to a starting role is seemingly blocked. Andrea Bargnani is the clear starting power forward, while Amir Johnson, Jonas Valanciunas and James Johnson are also lurking. The Raptors haven’t shown a willingness to play Davis at center despite his 6’10/232 frame.

That said, Davis’ talent is undeniable. He started nine games this past season, averaging 8.3 points, 9.0 rebounds and 1.6 blocks while playing 33.5 minutes. That “raw” label he has earned will start to wear off as he enters his third NBA season. At the very least, Davis projects as the first big off the bench next season.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 05-04-2012 12:45 AM

Bayless would and should be a starting PG on this team. over all the games he's started as a rap he's averaged 18 ppg and 6 apg. However much I'd like him to start BC and Casey dislike him and love Jose. Bayless is currently the only person on the roster (technically isn't though) that can break down opposing teams' d.

Kirby 05-04-2012 01:30 AM

Mike James averaged 20/5...
Numbers don't mean anything.

Toby 05-04-2012 01:45 AM

Jerryd's training days are over. He's got some battle scars now and it's time for him to put his game together. He can be a force, he's just got to relax and find his niche.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 05-04-2012 01:53 AM

I know what you mean, but statistics and #s are quite important in basketball, it's how players, etc get evaluated. There's a reason people record every stat possible. Usually a winning team isn't a team where there aren't significant or positive numbers. I feel sorry, for JB, unlike DD, he wasn't gifted a starting spot on a silver platter and/or a GM didn't fall in love with him.

bjjs 05-04-2012 02:09 AM

I can't see Bayless sticking as a starter - he isn't good enough at any one thing to make up for his lack of size. But he deserves a shot at a full time starting role.

0nekhmer 05-04-2012 02:16 AM

I can see Bayless playing a similar role to Conley.. Scoring PG

DDUnreal 05-04-2012 03:31 PM

How is Bayless listed as 6-3? He can't be 2' taller then Conley..

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 05-04-2012 05:20 PM

Bayless actually has similar #s to Jennings when starting. He has better apg and better FG%. I believe Jennings is a better 3 PT shooter though and greater spg. Both don't exactly take care of the ball well.

Conley is a much better defender than JB.

Dario 05-04-2012 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by 0nekhmer (Post 641306)
I can see Bayless playing a similar role to Conley.. Scoring PG

Conley is way to fast, but I know what you mean there, I say let Bayless start and use Caldy to get a SF

KoolAid 05-04-2012 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by DDUnreal (Post 641392)
How is Bayless listed as 6-3? He can't be 2' taller then Conley..

I believe he may be taller but he has got t-rex arms(making him go well with the team) that will prevent him from being the defender that Conley is.

Ball Don't Lie 05-04-2012 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by 0nekhmer (Post 641306)
I can see Bayless playing a similar role to Conley.. Scoring PG

Conley is a true PG IMO. He controls the tempo of the game, gets his bigs involved consistently, and doesnt take many shots despite most teams playing under the screen vs him where he has every opportunity to take a lot of perimeter shots but turns them down to back it out or penetrate back in the lane to get better shots for mostly his teammates. His ast numbers arent super high because Memphis has 4 other guys who can create their own offence. But I consider him to be one of the pure PGs the league has. Him and Bayless play nothing alike. If anything Bayless plays like Westbrook with his flashes of great play, but more often his terrible shot selection early in the clock, but the main difference being Westbrook is a much better finisher at the rim.

LX 05-04-2012 08:45 PM

I'd like to see Bayless become more like Conley. I think he could too, but his need to do too much on his own holds him back. Being able to score is something he needs to hold onto as an option rather than the constant factor in his decision-making. I would like to see him with more clearly defined viable options around him to defer to. I think that is probably the biggest reason for his improved play as a starter vs a bench guy, and with better players around him yet he could make a big jump. I don't know if I'd count on that, but it would be nice to see him with the chance.

moremilk 05-04-2012 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by LX (Post 641445)
I'd like to see Bayless become more like Conley. I think he could too, but his need to do too much on his own holds him back. Being able to score is something he needs to hold onto as an option rather than the constant factor in his decision-making. I would like to see him with more clearly defined viable options around him to defer to. I think that is probably the biggest reason for his improved play as a starter vs a bench guy, and with better players around him yet he could make a big jump. I don't know if I'd count on that, but it would be nice to see him with the chance.

when was the last player who morphed from a shoot first pg into a pass first pg?
It's the same old story. You are what you are, it takes more than just pure will to change the way you play. that's assuming bayless even wants, or can play like a pass first pg.

rapsmannn 05-05-2012 07:19 AM

bayless is done as a raptor, and honestly i would be choked to see him back in a raptors jersey, we have given him enough chances to prove himself, i would rather give another guy the opportunity,

bayless isn't a great defensive player, don't why the media thoguht he was, the trail blazers traded because of his issues with defense and lack of basketball i.q on offense,

you could argue ben uzoh has been better in his small stint with the rpators polishing it off with a tripple double, not about scoring at pg, its about finding the open guy and defending your position which uzoh did well

not saying i would go with uzoh, but just pointing out how uzoh looked better than bayless, so i'm curious to see a more well rounded pg with speed and defense plus scorign ability can do with the raptors

jeffb 05-05-2012 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by rapsmannn (Post 641550)
bayless is done as a raptor, and honestly i would be choked to see him back in a raptors jersey, we have given him enough chances to prove himself, i would rather give another guy the opportunity,

bayless isn't a great defensive player, don't why the media thoguht he was, the trail blazers traded because of his issues with defense and lack of basketball i.q on offense,

you could argue ben uzoh has been better in his small stint with the rpators polishing it off with a tripple double, not about scoring at pg, its about finding the open guy and defending your position which uzoh did well

not saying i would go with uzoh, but just pointing out how uzoh looked better than bayless, so i'm curious to see a more well rounded pg with speed and defense plus scorign ability can do with the raptors


Uzoh was inconsistent when he was here and Bayless defense is better then Jose. To say Uzoh is better than Bayless is just a little crazy imo, i'm no big Bayless fan but he's not as bad as some exaggerate here. When healthy this season i found him pretty impressive especially when starting. Do i think he's a starter, no......but he's a pretty good backup and his shooting has improved considerably. And Uzoh's triple double vs NJ was a joke.

carp 05-05-2012 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 641565)
Uzoh was inconsistent when he was here and Bayless defense is better then Jose. To say Uzoh is better than Bayless is just a little crazy imo, i'm no big Bayless fan but he's not as bad as some exaggerate here. When healthy this season i found him pretty impressive especially when starting. Do i think he's a starter, no......but he's a pretty good backup and his shooting has improved considerably. And Uzoh's triple double vs NJ was a joke.

Don't badmouth Uzoh! The kid is a good third pg option for this team:cheap, young, defensive, athletic.

Bayless can't run a team, it's obvious, but he brings swagger, toughness (when he's not injured) and aggression. He's alright in a bench capacity if he can buy in, but he's not good enough to be a starting PG or SG. I don't mind keeping him because continuity is important and you can't expect 5 new guys every year. It's all about cost and I don't think he warrants more than a 3 year, 9M type deal and he likely shouldn't be signed until other options are exhausted.

LX 05-05-2012 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by moremilk (Post 641490)
when was the last player who morphed from a shoot first pg into a pass first pg?
It's the same old story. You are what you are, it takes more than just pure will to change the way you play. that's assuming bayless even wants, or can play like a pass first pg.

There was another player that fits the Conley style of play - Chauncey Billups - who had a difficult time figuring out his role while a combo guard. And that is what Bayless has been squeezed into quite a lot - a combo guard role that has not done much to temper his shoot first instincts. Bayless has shown the ability to run a team. Has he shown it enough to make me hopeful? No. That's the biggest reason I'd like to see him get a real chance. But I'll certainly understand if he doesn't get that chance, here anyways.

rapsmannn 05-06-2012 04:37 AM

Billups got the run around in his first few seasons. Where as bayless was given fair opportunities to seize the starting role in Portland and Toronto and it didn't happen. I'm not interested in bringing bayless back when we can go into free agency and sign a dragic. Aaron brooks or even a Johnny flynn. Bayless has way to much talk not enough walk


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