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Old 03-12-2012, 01:42 AM   #21 (permalink)
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About where Toronto has been landing. I think MJ gets first dibs, and Stern's Hornets get 2nd pick. You guys usually get the heavy ping pong ball for some reason.
For some reason? U really dunno why?
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Old 03-12-2012, 01:49 AM   #22 (permalink)
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About where Toronto has been landing. I think MJ gets first dibs, and Stern's Hornets get 2nd pick. You guys usually get the heavy ping pong ball for some reason.
What does the NBA owe MJ?? They gave that city two shots already at an NBA franchise. If anything the NBA owes Toronto
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Old 03-12-2012, 03:25 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Clearly the Hornets are getting the first overall pick.

With them being owned by the NBA and there actually being a "run away" 1st overall pick, I think we'll see a repeat of last year, when it was obvious that Cleveland was getting the 1st overall pick
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Old 03-12-2012, 07:10 AM   #26 (permalink)
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Clearly the Hornets are getting the first overall pick.

With them being owned by the NBA and there actually being a "run away" 1st overall pick, I think we'll see a repeat of last year, when it was obvious that Cleveland was getting the 1st overall pick
Am I missing something here ? There are 2 teams with far worse records than the Hornets. How is it "clear" that the Hornets are getting the number one pick ?
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Old 03-12-2012, 08:00 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Am I missing something here ? There are 2 teams with far worse records than the Hornets. How is it "clear" that the Hornets are getting the number one pick ?
People think that Stern will rig the lottery so that the Hornets will win it.
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People think that Stern will rig the lottery so that the Hornets will win it.
I know there's all sorts of conspiracy theories for all sorts of events .......... but do people actually believe, I mean really believe , as opposed to joking about it, that Stern and the NBA would rig the lottery ?

I dislike Stern as much as the next guy, but surely the damage to the league's credibility if someone leaked that the lottery was rigged, is too great for anyone to do it.
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I know there's all sorts of conspiracy theories for all sorts of events .......... but do people actually believe, I mean really believe , as opposed to joking about it, that Stern and the NBA would rig the lottery ?

I dislike Stern as much as the next guy, but surely the damage to the league's credibility if someone leaked that the lottery was rigged, is too great for anyone to do it.
To add to this, the process is actually audited by an external party (E&Y has been doing it for years now). This should add some legitimacy to the process.
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Old 03-12-2012, 09:58 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Unless the lottery is drawn publicly (and there's no good reason it shouldn't be) there will always be conspiracy theories.

Stern and the NBA create this situation by operating behind closed doors.
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To add to this, the process is actually audited by an external party (E&Y has been doing it for years now). This should add some legitimacy to the process.
Audit processes are not necessarily effective against fraud. If you read an audit statement they all say that, so we can't rely on the audit.

I am not making a statement about whether or not they have or will rig the lottery. That said, there are definitely business advantages to having the chips fall where you want them to.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that they would leave massive business decisions and impacts up to random chance.
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Old 03-12-2012, 11:30 AM   #32 (permalink)
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Unless the lottery is drawn publicly (and there's no good reason it shouldn't be) there will always be conspiracy theories.

Stern and the NBA create this situation by operating behind closed doors.
Yup this is what's on everyone's mind typically.
Until I see the draw live, it's all rigged as far as I'm concerned.
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Audit processes are not necessarily effective against fraud. If you read an audit statement they all say that, so we can't rely on the audit.

I am not making a statement about whether or not they have or will rig the lottery. That said, there are definitely business advantages to having the chips fall where you want them to.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that they would leave massive business decisions and impacts up to random chance.
But imagine the damage to the NBA if it were ever proved that the Lottery, and hence the Draft were fixed. I don't think any sensible Commissioner (and sidekicks) would dare risk that.
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Old 03-12-2012, 11:36 AM   #34 (permalink)
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Well, considering how often NY wins the lottery, I'd say it's not rigged.
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Clearly the Hornets are getting the first overall pick.

With them being owned by the NBA and there actually being a "run away" 1st overall pick, I think we'll see a repeat of last year, when it was obvious that Cleveland was getting the 1st overall pick
how was it obvious that cleveland was getting the first pick last year? and the first pick was actually the clippers.
but if you want to go that route, you can say that the league wanted to give cleveland the first pick and hid behind the fact that they also had the clippers pick to make it less obvious. this year theres nothing like that to hide behind to give the hornets the first pick and if they do get the first pick its gonna be really obvious and i don't know if stern risks that
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The NBA draft is not fixed or rigged, things just "conveniently" happen for some teams
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Old 03-12-2012, 02:58 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Haha, my post was half in jest for those that are conspiracy theorists.

I just found it... uhhhm...ironic? That the Cavs (after LeBron left, got the first overall pick). Now after Chris Paul leaving, the team being in financial disarray, and the league owning them, that it would be "ironic" again, that a team that "needs" to win the lottery - does.
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Audit processes are not necessarily effective against fraud. If you read an audit statement they all say that, so we can't rely on the audit.

I am not making a statement about whether or not they have or will rig the lottery. That said, there are definitely business advantages to having the chips fall where you want them to.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that they would leave massive business decisions and impacts up to random chance.
It isn't that audit processes are not effective against fraud, it is that it is not the auditor's responsibility to uncover it. It is the auditor's responsibility to take due care in performing its engagement. If the auditor did not provide due care when overlooking the process, they WOULD be partly responsible if fraud were to be proven.

It isn't difficult to overlook such a process like the draft lottery. It would be extremely difficult for management (NBA) to commit fraud during such a simple process as the draft lottery is and if fraud were to ever be committed, EY would most surely be responsible for some of the blame as well. It's much harder to commit fraud during the draft lottery than it is to hide expenses, boost revenues, etc. on a set of financial statements.
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Haha, my post was half in jest for those that are conspiracy theorists.

I just found it... uhhhm...ironic? That the Cavs (after LeBron left, got the first overall pick). Now after Chris Paul leaving, the team being in financial disarray, and the league owning them, that it would be "ironic" again, that a team that "needs" to win the lottery - does.
Cavs had the best chance to win it last year, and the Hornets will have the best odds winning it this year.

If the Cavs didn't win it last year, you'd hear people talking about how the draft was rigged because Stern hates Dan Gilbert, Cleveland is a small city, etc...

It's a lose-lose-lose situation no matter what happens in the lottery. When Toronto won it just a couple years back, I heard conspiratists say that it was rigged because "the league owed the city something after so many years of being a weak team, so they gave them the 1st pick in a weak draft"
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Cavs had the best chance to win it last year, and the Hornets will have the best odds winning it this year.

If the Cavs didn't win it last year, you'd hear people talking about how the draft was rigged because Stern hates Dan Gilbert, Cleveland is a small city, etc...

It's a lose-lose-lose situation no matter what happens in the lottery. When Toronto won it just a couple years back, I heard conspiratists say that it was rigged because "the league owed the city something after so many years of being a weak team, so they gave them the 1st pick in a weak draft"
You mean 6 years ago?
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