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Old 03-16-2011, 05:25 PM   #61 (permalink)
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i dont think people realize how good Andrea Bargnani is, just because he played like shit for 3 years, this guy does something for our offense that allow us to compete in every game

just look at the wins we collected this year, I think it has to do with hte age of the overall roster than Andrea Bargnani being a soft big (the losing), another draft pick more experience this roster will turn it around, it needs patience, plus the fact that Derozan and Bargnani can both get there games off and not disrupt the other is a great sign, thats something Bosh and Bargs could never do together consistently

Andrea is easily the best player on the team, and every chance a fan gets on this site throw him in a trade they do it,

this team would be worse off,

and look ath the nets right now, winning 5 straight, wonder why thats happening, Deron Williams and Brook Lopez, well Bargnani is better than Lopez and rebounds better while playing from the perimeter while Lopez is a low post big, before Williams joined the team Bargnani would own lopez and the nets
I can't tell if you're being serious?

I would trade Bargnani for Lopez every day of the week.

Lopez is a MUCH better low post defender, and, despite what you say, is also a better rebounder.

I'm not exactly sure if you were being serious, so if you weren't then I apologize.
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Old 03-16-2011, 05:30 PM   #62 (permalink)
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i dont think people realize how good Andrea Bargnani is, just because he played like shit for 3 years, this guy does something for our offense that allow us to compete in every game

just look at the wins we collected this year, I think it has to do with hte age of the overall roster than Andrea Bargnani being a soft big (the losing), another draft pick more experience this roster will turn it around, it needs patience, plus the fact that Derozan and Bargnani can both get there games off and not disrupt the other is a great sign, thats something Bosh and Bargs could never do together consistently

Andrea is easily the best player on the team, and every chance a fan gets on this site throw him in a trade they do it,

this team would be worse off,

and look ath the nets right now, winning 5 straight, wonder why thats happening, Deron Williams and Brook Lopez, well Bargnani is better than Lopez and rebounds better while playing from the perimeter while Lopez is a low post big, before Williams joined the team Bargnani would own lopez and the nets
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Old 03-16-2011, 05:35 PM   #63 (permalink)
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well Bargnani is better than Lopez and rebounds better while playing from the perimeter while Lopez is a low post big, before Williams joined the team Bargnani would own lopez and the nets
?????


Brooke Lopez seasons since being in the NBA:

8.1rpg, 8.7rpg, 6rpg

1.8bpg, 1.7bpg, 1.6bpg



Bargnani since being in the NBA has never had more then 6.1rpg or 1.4bpg, and this season Lopez is averaging 6rpg/1.6bpg to Bargnani's 5.6rpg/0.7bpg.

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the only reason i wouldn't trade for brook lopez is because his play is too similar to amir and ed davis, so unless its an overhaul of the front court then Bargs is a better fit
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Old 03-16-2011, 06:54 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Personally, I love what Brook does on the offensive end...much more of a traditional centre. However, rebounds are a bit of a concern for him this season. With that being said, I think he has better reaction on the defensive end with regards to help defense and being positionally sound. Bargs is a fine one on one defender, but his help D is horrendous
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Old 03-16-2011, 07:18 PM   #66 (permalink)
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?????


Brooke Lopez seasons since being in the NBA:

8.1rpg, 8.7rpg, 6rpg

1.8bpg, 1.7bpg, 1.6bpg



Bargnani since being in the NBA has never had more then 6.1rpg or 1.4bpg, and this season Lopez is averaging 6rpg/1.6bpg to Bargnani's 5.6rpg/0.7bpg.
That isn't really much of a difference lol I cannot believe he doesn't grab 10+ with his size and style of play.
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Old 03-16-2011, 07:18 PM   #67 (permalink)
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Ed Davis on Harrison Barnes:

“Harrison is a legit 6-foot-8 player, someone I’ve played against in pick-up ball....I remember talking to my old teammates and all they kept talking about was how Harrison was always in the gym, always trying to work on his game."

The kid has the good work ethic. The Raptors need to move into the top 3. I think Barnes and Irving won't available after the top 3.
I think Perry Jones ends up top 3 with them, depending on what happens in tournament.
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How many players from BYU would you draft with a top 10 pick? Zero. How mnay BYU players even make the NBA, let alone a short skinny white point guard from BYU. This draft is truly horriible.
Ridiculous.

How many Drake players were good? How many Drake players would you have taken in the top 10? Zero.

Guess what, Steph Curry was a big time player at a nothing school and he's had a nice career. Look at Nash at Santa Clara.

Plus BYU is a nice program.

Quit judging players on programs. Not all great players come from Duke, NC, Kansas and Kentucky.
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I think Barnes is out reach unless we break the lottery and get a top three pick. I don't think anyone should be judging Jimmer poorly the guy almost took BYU to a number one seed. Kevin Durant called him one of the greatest scorers he had ever seen. I for one would be happy if we snagged him with our first rounder. He is the entire BYU offense carries the ball for a 90% of the game and still scores 30+ a game.
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How many players from BYU would you draft with a top 10 pick? Zero. How mnay BYU players even make the NBA, let alone a short skinny white point guard from BYU. This draft is truly horriible.
Logic fail. What player coming out of BYU have done has nothing to do with Fredette or how good he is.

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Logic fail. What player coming out of BYU has nothing to do with Fredette or how good he is.
The program has everything top do with the defense a player plays, rebounding his work ethic and everything else. A college determines if he can guard man or only zone. It may not be the only reaons, but a college a player plays at absolutely 100% is taken into account by scouts. Talent is what gets them to college and everything else is learned. I got 100 that says he's doesn't end up to be Danny Ainge. Like stated he would never be in the top end of a 1st round if unless it was this draft which is horrid. So why the fuck would we ever consider trading down for him. The best player in a trade wins a trade. He will not be that in almost anything proposed.

I have other reasons but they aren't cool for this forum.
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The program has everything top do with the defense a player plays, rebounding his work ethic and everything else. A college determines if he can guard man or only zone. It may not be the only reaons, but a college a player plays at absolutely 100% is taken into account by scouts. Talent is what gets them to college and everything else is learned. I got 100 that says he's doesn't end up to be Danny Ainge. Like stated he would never be in the top end of a 1st round if unless it was this draft which is horrid. So why the fuck would we ever consider trading down for him. The best player in a trade wins a trade. He will not be that in almost anything proposed.

I have other reasons but they aren't cool for this forum.
Again, he's worth grabbing if you have a 2nd 1st round pick. Definitely worth grabbing then.

Again, like I said, some players are just players. Santa Clara, Drake, Rhode Island, St. John's and Colorado have all produced high level talent and were never considered top tier schools. BYU actually HAS a good program that emphasizes good ball movement and defence.

Like I said, again, he's at best a JJ Reddick type of player. I'd take that.
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The program has everything top do with the defense a player plays, rebounding his work ethic and everything else. A college determines if he can guard man or only zone. It may not be the only reaons, but a college a player plays at absolutely 100% is taken into account by scouts. Talent is what gets them to college and everything else is learned. I got 100 that says he's doesn't end up to be Danny Ainge. Like stated he would never be in the top end of a 1st round if unless it was this draft which is horrid. So why the fuck would we ever consider trading down for him. The best player in a trade wins a trade. He will not be that in almost anything proposed.

I have other reasons but they aren't cool for this forum.
Fredette has a extremely good work ethic and he does rebounding. Like I said in earlier post his D will improve because of his work ethic. He is being underrated by everyone.

The only prob with Jimmer is that he's ins't that athletic, then again neither is Irving.
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Ridiculous.

How many Drake players were good? How many Drake players would you have taken in the top 10? Zero.

Guess what, Steph Curry was a big time player at a nothing school and he's had a nice career. Look at Nash at Santa Clara.

Plus BYU is a nice program.

Quit judging players on programs. Not all great players come from Duke, NC, Kansas and Kentucky.
I agree with everything you said there, except for the fact that Steph went to Davidson.
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Isn't he in a weaker conference? How has he done against top teams?
Last year in the tourney Jimmer put up 37points and 21points in two matches against Florida and Kansas State.

Like Claudius said he killed San Diego State this year and they have great athletes and one of the best defense in CBB.
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Jimmer Fredette will either be a home run or a strikeout in this draft. I don't think that we should take this risk right now tho.
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I think Perry Jones ends up top 3 with them, depending on what happens in tournament.
Baylor didn't make the tourney + he got suspended. His size/upside/potential is what's going to intrigue teams. I think he's still going to be a top5 unless he does horribly in his workouts
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Jimmer Fredette will either be a home run or a strikeout in this draft. I don't think that we should take this risk right now tho.
IMO with all due respect i think any of the players in this draft could be a strikeout. None to me have shown they are the next big thing......sucks for us in operation tank.


On Jimmer.......i do not get the hate for the dude. Ok maybe he is not lightning fast or a lock down defender but who on our team is? The dude can flat out play......can score from anywhere......gets to the line....is an underated passer ( He really doesnt have much to pass to at BYU) doesn't showboat , plays his ass off every game and has a winners mentality.......pretty much everything the Raptors NEED! How many times this year has the offense sputtered when nobody could hit the ocean during a key strech of a game? Jimmer's a guy who can make it happen!

I also think he would love to play in Toronto!

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IMO with all due respect i think any of the players in this draft could be a strikeout. None to me have shown they are the next big thing......sucks for us in operation tank.


On Jimmer.......i do not get the hate for the dude. Ok maybe he is not lightning fast or a lock down defender but who on our team is? The dude can flat out play......can score from anywhere......gets to the line....is an underated passer ( He really doesnt have much to pass to at BYU) doesn't showboat , plays his ass off every game and has a winners mentality.......pretty much everything the Raptors NEED! How many times this year has the offense sputtered when nobody could hit the ocean during a key strech of a game? Jimmer's a guy who can make it happen!

I also think he would love to play in Toronto!

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He also said in an interview he want's to work really hard on his D so he wont be a liability in the NBA.
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Baylor didn't make the tourney + he got suspended. His size/upside/potential is what's going to intrigue teams. I think he's still going to be a top5 unless he does horribly in his workouts
That's depending on how others show in the tournament. there are usually a couple who light it up and change their status. As of now, I think teams see his upside and not that much else better in the draft.
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