NESN Atlantic Division Predictions
Old 10-26-2012, 10:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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The competition in the Atlantic Division could be the most intriguing in the Eastern Conference, as there are four teams in the running for the title. The Philadelphia 76ers and Brooklyn Nets were two of the most active teams in the offseason and should be improved. Meanwhile, the Boston Celtics added depth, while the New York Knicks boosted their roster, too. The Toronto Raptors will most likely be cellar dwellers, but the race for first in the Atlantic is wide open.
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Toronto Raptors Odds to win NBA title: 250-1 The Raptors are still in rebuilding mode but they're hoping that the addition of two first round picks boosts their foundation. Last year's first-round pick, Jonas Valanciunas, will join the team this year and hopefully provide a much-needed boost at the center position. Meanwhile, this year's first-round pick, Terrence Ross, should provide the much-needed scoring. Even so, the Raptors are thin on depth and rebounding. Coach Dwane Casey improved the team's toughness on defense but until they find a primetime scorer and a supporting cast, they'll find themselves in the Atlantic basement.

http://www.nesn.com/2012/10/boston-c...ion-title.html
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Old 10-26-2012, 10:55 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Weren't we a very good rebounding team last season? We lack depth/supporting cast?

Ho-hum, another negative prediction.
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Old 10-26-2012, 11:07 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Old 10-26-2012, 11:09 AM   #4 (permalink)
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we've been a good rebounding team for the past couple of years. jeez...
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Old 10-26-2012, 11:37 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I can understand where they're coming from with the rebounding comment.

We haven't been really great at rebounding from the guard positions. Jose doesn't really have the build and DeRozan is usually trying to leak out on a fast break. Everyone understands Bargnani's failings at that role and lack of general interest in doing it.

I'd still say we're weak at rebounding at SG/SF (with the loss of Johnson) so overall our team rebounding is somewhat weak. When you look at a team like Boston, most of their team is boxing out and ensuring they don't give up a lot of offensive rebounds.

I think they point out depth, not because of our PG/PF/C position but at SG/SF two critical positions to ensure some success in the league. Ross is not proven and Fields brings up a ton of question marks.

The only real part I disagree with in the synopsis is that the race for the Atlantic is wide open. It's Boston's to lose. The Knicks will struggle to go over the .500 mark and the Nets are just a mesh of parts right now that I'm not sure what they'll look like.
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Old 10-26-2012, 11:48 AM   #6 (permalink)
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why are we getting worked up about an american basketball article where the writer does not know what they're talking about, yet again
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Old 10-26-2012, 11:55 AM   #7 (permalink)
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I can understand where they're coming from with the rebounding comment.

We haven't been really great at rebounding from the guard positions. Jose doesn't really have the build and DeRozan is usually trying to leak out on a fast break. Everyone understands Bargnani's failings at that role and lack of general interest in doing it.

I'd still say we're weak at rebounding at SG/SF (with the loss of Johnson) so overall our team rebounding is somewhat weak. When you look at a team like Boston, most of their team is boxing out and ensuring they don't give up a lot of offensive rebounds.

I think they point out depth, not because of our PG/PF/C position but at SG/SF two critical positions to ensure some success in the league. Ross is not proven and Fields brings up a ton of question marks.

The only real part I disagree with in the synopsis is that the race for the Atlantic is wide open. It's Boston's to lose. The Knicks will struggle to go over the .500 mark and the Nets are just a mesh of parts right now that I'm not sure what they'll look like.
Or, maybe, not.

Last few years, ranking in ORB% and DRB%:
22nd, 3rd - net ranking 12.5th
8th, 25th - 16.5th
24th, 23rd - 23.5th

So, the've been average the last couple years, with steady improvement every year overall. Having an average offensive rebounding team would put us in the top 10 overall in terms of rebounding - currently we're a below average offensive rebounding team and an elite defensive rebounding team. Adding a Kyle Lowry and Jonas Valanciunas can't hurt there. Hardly a weak rebounding team, certainly not something to highlight.
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Old 10-26-2012, 12:35 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Or, maybe, not.

Last few years, ranking in ORB% and DRB%:
22nd, 3rd - net ranking 12.5th
8th, 25th - 16.5th
24th, 23rd - 23.5th

So, the've been average the last couple years, with steady improvement every year overall. Having an average offensive rebounding team would put us in the top 10 overall in terms of rebounding - currently we're a below average offensive rebounding team and an elite defensive rebounding team. Adding a Kyle Lowry and Jonas Valanciunas can't hurt there. Hardly a weak rebounding team, certainly not something to highlight.
I understand the numbers and I did look them up actually before posting.

However, I don't think this really addresses what my point was and is.
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Old 10-26-2012, 02:12 PM   #9 (permalink)
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I agree with C's assertion that the Atlantic belong to the Celts. Not sure why so many people are disregarding them and lumping them in with teams like BKN, NYK, PHI, IND, etc.... Short of MIA they're the cream of the crop in the East and with their new-found depth should be a lock for 55-60 wins (barring a slew of injuries).
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Old 10-26-2012, 02:31 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I agree with C's assertion that the Atlantic belong to the Celts. Not sure why so many people are disregarding them and lumping them in with teams like BKN, NYK, PHI, IND, etc.... Short of MIA they're the cream of the crop in the East and with their new-found depth should be a lock for 55-60 wins (barring a slew of injuries).
they're very old, pierce and KG are still the cornerstones there, and they'll take their time to get going and they'll never go 100% during the regular season.

terry will be good for them, but lee, green and sullinger are not starting level players imo, and they'll have to rely heavily on them. Once bradley comes back (assuming he plays like he did last season), that may change, but until then they'll be hurting.

About the only way they win the division is if rondo takes a step forward with his focus/offensive game, but I wouldn't bet much on that happening.
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Old 10-26-2012, 02:38 PM   #11 (permalink)
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they're very old, pierce and KG are still the cornerstones there, and they'll take their time to get going and they'll never go 100% during the regular season.

terry will be good for them, but lee, green and sullinger are not starting level players imo, and they'll have to rely heavily on them. Once bradley comes back (assuming he plays like he did last season), that may change, but until then they'll be hurting.

About the only way they win the division is if rondo takes a step forward with his focus/offensive game, but I wouldn't bet much on that happening.
Well, looks like we'll continue to disagree on pretty much everything then as per usual lol....

Rondo's game has been getting stronger every season and based on the latter half of last season and the playoffs I'd say that it's pretty clear that he's the key to that team. Agree though that KG and Pierce will still have to be effective for them to be at their peak. IMO they won't have to be relied on nearly as much as last season though. Green, Terry and Lee are all capable of stepping up and delivering big games on occasion when needed.

My only worry for them would be on the big man front. If Darko can be halfway decent that'll help a lot.
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Old 10-26-2012, 06:25 PM   #12 (permalink)
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They didn't even mention Kyle Lowry. Their predictions are void.
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Old 10-26-2012, 06:54 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Why? Why so much emphasis on Lowry?
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Old 10-26-2012, 07:48 PM   #14 (permalink)
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The guy is the best player on our team; how do you not put most of the emphasis on Lowry?
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The guy is the best player on our team; how do you not put most of the emphasis on Lowry?
Agreed.
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Not agreed. He had a stretch where he looked really good.

I don't really want to turn this thread into this, bur right, as much as I'm loathe to say it, Andrea is still our best player. His skill set, when motivated, is hard to beat.

Anyways, it's moot right now. I'll still argue that the analysis was pretty spot on.
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Not agreed. He had a stretch where he looked really good.

I don't really want to turn this thread into this, bur right, as much as I'm loathe to say it, Andrea is still our best player. His skill set, when motivated, is hard to beat.

Anyways, it's moot right now. I'll still argue that the analysis was pretty spot on.
Uhhhh... you could easily be talking about Bargs here too C.

Agreed though. We'll see how things play out.
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Old 10-26-2012, 10:43 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Personally I think that the Atlantic is pretty much up for grabs in all 5 spots, depending on how each team plays out during the season. For Boston, losing Allen wouldn't really affect their team much imo, and they added nice pieces to replace Allen. Philly boosted up their lineup and changed it quite a bit. New York Ill say will end up around the same spot as last year, the team is pretty much the same. Overall i think Brooklyn has the chance to take the top seed with Deron and Joe Johnson running the show.

I wouldnt say Lowry is our best player, I actually wouldnt know who would be. Overall there isn't a consistent player on our team who can be placed under that category. Reason being there are playeres who look awesome, then they fade away. Lowry, Jose, BBargnani, DD, Amir, and Ed all do this and they are our core players
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About the only way they win the division is if rondo takes a step forward with his focus/offensive game, but I wouldn't bet much on that happening.
did you not see him go toe to toe with the miami heat in the playoffs? or were all his shots just lucky?
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did you not see him go toe to toe with the miami heat in the playoffs? or were all his shots just lucky?
He still can't hit a free throw or a three consistently. If he ever puts up a 50/40/90 season I guarantee he'll win the MVP.
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