NBA Trades should Happened
Old 12-23-2009, 06:32 PM   #1 (permalink)
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From ESPN's Bill Simmons

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Toronto Raptors (group B)

2009-10 payroll: $68.2 million
Projected 2010-11 payroll: $47.5 million (not counting Chris Bosh's $17.1 million player option for 2010)

VP's Take: As I wrote last July, there's nothing more dangerous than a GM worried about his job who dumps the team's long-term interests to protect the short-term. Everything Bryan Colangelo did last summer screamed, "I need to keep my job!!!" Now the Raptors are hamstrung with an overpaid, below-.500 roster that doubles as the worst defensive team of this decade -- seriously, what did they think would happen when Jose Calderon, Hedo Turkoglu and Andrea Bargnani were three of the team's best four guys? -- and Chris Bosh seems like a mortal lock to leave. You can't do the Frank Drebin Memorial "Please disperse, nothing to see here, please disperse" routine. Raptors fans are too smart. They get it.

Mitigating Factor: By dealing Bosh, Colangelo would be effectively saying, "I made some mistakes, we need to press the RESET button and start over." Translation: "Fire me, I deserve it." Since nobody would ever sabotage their own job like that, he will probably keep Bosh, make a smaller trade and pray things turn around. If they don't, the Raptors will get nothing for him. Not fair to the Raptor Truthers. At all.

VP's Verdict: Bosh doesn't have nearly as much trade value as Chris Paul because he's obviously fleeing in six months. Still, they should be using him to retool and dump the Marcus Banks/Reggie Evans ECs ($9.8 million owed in 2011). A trade like Bosh, Reggie Evans and Marcus Banks to Houston for T-Mac, Luis Scola, a 2010 No. 1 pick and $3 million makes a little sense, but Colangelo would never do it. He'd be better off keeping Bosh and making believe he might stay. One scenario DOES make sense though

Fake Trade 6: Bosh/Evans/Banks to Dallas for Erik Dampier (team option for 2010-11, making him valuable since he can be used as an EC for a summer trade to a team that would then waive him to chop payroll) and Josh Howard (EC). I like this one because it keeps Toronto competitive for 2009-10 and again this summer if they want to flip Dampier (for instance, they could send him to New York for a Gallinari/Curry package). And for Dallas I mean could you win the title with Dirk, Bosh, Marion, Kidd and Terry as your crunch-time five? I feel like you could. Even with Dirk's hair looking like it does.

And while we're here

Fake Trade 7a: Jose Calderon to the Lakers for Adam Morrison (EC), Jordan Farmar and $3 million. Time for Toronto to cut the cord with Calderon (owed $37.5 million through 2013), the league's No. 1 desperately-needs-a-change-of-scenery guy right now. He can't defend anyone, has lost his mojo and plays with zero confidence against the Nashes and Pauls. I don't know what happened to him. (And yes, I know his stats aren't much different than they were in 2007. I just know what I see.) But in L.A.? He could be rejuvenated as a Steve Kerr-type shooter in that system; he'd have shot-blockers to protect him defensively; he'd have Phil Jackson rebuilding his confidence and giving him Gabriel Garcia Marquez books; and he'd get reunited with Team Spain buddy Pau Gasol. Meanwhile, Toronto makes money this year, saves 2011-2012-2013 cash and doesn't lose much with Farmar and Jarrett Jack running the show. Win-win.

Fake Trade 7b: Calderon to the Celtics for Eddie House (EC), Tony Allen (EC), Glen Davis and $3 million. Celts get the third guard they need; Toronto dumps Calderon's contract, pockets $3 million and gets a useful banger in Big Baby.

(Crap. That's not nearly as good as the Lakers trade. I feel sick. Forget I mentioned this.)
Bill Simmons: NBA trades should happen at a furious pace - ESPN
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Old 12-23-2009, 08:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Bosh, Evans, Banks for T-Mac, Scola, and 1st round pick?
git'r done BC. throw in Battier
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Old 12-23-2009, 08:54 PM   #3 (permalink)
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bosh will stay.
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Old 12-23-2009, 08:55 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Damn, those Jose trades are ugly.
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Old 12-23-2009, 09:04 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Old 12-23-2009, 09:31 PM   #6 (permalink)
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The Houston trade is interesting - esp if rockets end up in the lottery. I would LOVE scola, tho I would want more
the mavs trade is good in that we can dump dampier, and Howard is basically a better Marion (he'll prob play starting SG, but that would screw up DD's development?), except he's a headcase off the court

I wonder if BC and other GMs use the ESPN trade thingy, it's pretty fun
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Old 12-23-2009, 11:44 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Snooch makes way better trade scenarios.
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Old 12-24-2009, 12:03 AM   #8 (permalink)
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bill is funny, but he's wrong

why the heck would colangelo worry about his job here ...
if toronto doesn't spend to get good players around bosh, than they're cheap
if they spend, than they're desperate

of course, would have been much nicer if instead of turkoglu we'd have signed dwayne wade, but alas, he wasn't a FA. Turkoglu was the best or among the best 2-3 FA on the market and he was filling a big need here. How is that a desperate move?

Sorry bill, you're a smart guy, but regardless of what ends up happening with bosh, that was a bad article.
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Old 12-24-2009, 01:37 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Agree with you moremilk BC did a good job during the summer he added extra bodies that we needed. Please tell me that Parker, Moon, Kapono & Graham are better than DeRozen,Belinni, Weems and Wright. Turk and Marian are a wash but with different skill sets. Hump is better than Amir, Rasho and Evans if we every get him back. Most importantly Jack huge upgrade on Ukie.

Are we a grade A yet no but with a few smaller trades with Rasho, Wright, Evans or Bank we can improve before the playoffs. Who knows about Bosh if we lose him other out there that can fill the void with Boozer,Amir and Lee all available in the offseason. Gortat will be available in a trade as well for the right pieces. The only player of the top 5 that may be expendable is Jose but I would hate to lose him but 8.2m is decent cap room.

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Old 12-24-2009, 03:16 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Old 12-24-2009, 05:18 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Scola for Bosh is a dream come true for the Rox.
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Old 12-24-2009, 07:27 AM   #12 (permalink)
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and this is why i dont read simmons anymore...
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Old 12-24-2009, 11:34 AM   #13 (permalink)
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That last trade for jose is a joke...house is ass
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Old 12-24-2009, 11:39 AM   #14 (permalink)
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This is why they call Simmons colum "page 2". He throws on this fantasy trade type material on his article. Something that heck isn't even allowed on certain RF threads.

Thanks Simmons wake me up when your Boston Love is over and you actually have something good to say
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Old 12-25-2009, 11:50 PM   #15 (permalink)
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aha, I was just mentioning the Simmons bits in another thread.

Did anyone catch summerleague? Morrison was the best player on the floor when the teams met. He did whatever he wanted to us. The stache may actually have game.

Wondering if a tweaked combo would be doable: Jose to LAL, Morrison+Farmar to NYK, Jefferies+Gallinari to TOR. The Knicks don't shed as much money as they would with Curry and end up giving up a guy they use, as opposed to the other option --- OK, I think I answered my own question.

Jose's been getting a lot of coldness lately. When he was healthy and in form, he brought a lot of fire and passion to the team. He was a very likable guy. I hope he can get his groove back.
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