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Old 11-11-2008, 02:25 AM   #21 (permalink)
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When Cleveland won the lottery in LBJ's draft year?
If the NBA really wanted to make even more money and wanted LBJ to be the biggest thing ever wouldnt he have ended up in NY or CHI?

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When Toronto won the lottery in Bargnani's draft year?
(Or in BC's first year...)
If the NBA really wanted us to succeed dont you think they would have delayed the high school ruling one more year so we could get Oden and dominate the league forever with Bosh and Greg?

Bargnani wasnt even the consensus number one pick, and there was tons of talk about us trading down.

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When the Lakers and Celtics made it to the finals?
They made it to the finals because they were far and away the best two teams in the league you fool.
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Old 11-11-2008, 02:34 AM   #22 (permalink)
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If the NBA really wanted to make even more money and wanted LBJ to be the biggest thing ever wouldnt he have ended up in NY or CHI?
He still could.

LBJ was a kid from Cleveland when he was drafted. Not a superstar. I found it a little suspicious even at the time.

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If the NBA really wanted us to succeed dont you think they would have delayed the high school ruling one more year so we could get Oden and dominate the league forever with Bosh and Greg?

Bargnani wasnt even the consensus number one pick, and there was tons of talk about us trading down.
Bargnani's prior involvement with Gherardini makes me suspicious.

I don't know... Maybe Bargs really is a let down for a lot of people. I'm not saying the NBA league office can make players great, it can just tell a story.

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They made it to the finals because they were far and away the best two teams in the league you fool.
Ok, go through the four major sports and tell me the last time the top regular season teams from both halves of whatever bracket made it to the finals. It's not all that likely. It's suspicious.

You didn't find the Pau Gasol trade a little suspicious?

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Old 11-11-2008, 03:00 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Comparing NBA refereering and our local refs in euroleague games, I was always amazed of NBA refs professionalism. Calls are quick, amazingly correct if you watch the replay, stable throughout the game and make general sense.

Nothing of this was seen last two games. It was your regular euroleague. Late whistles, weird calls, changing calls, not calling for same foul consistently.
I know how fans like to blame refs for the losses. I'm just blaming them for screwing up. It takes you out of the flow.

And m.f. Garnett... arrrrgh. He gets away with so much and then he makes them to change their calls? Calls obviously correct before?
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Old 11-11-2008, 08:09 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I've thought for years their has been bias refereeing against the Raps. Maybe because they are the only NBA team outside of the U.S. Most if not all the ref's are Americans.
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Old 11-11-2008, 08:30 AM   #25 (permalink)
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No fix.

Just terrible Home cooking calls last night.

Pierce got like 3-4 soft as hell touch calls, Garnett simply changed two calls on his own by yelling at officials, chased Calderon down the floor straight up taunting him on two occasions.

It's the NBA mandate to operate witout efficacy.

It's embarrasing
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Old 11-11-2008, 08:48 AM   #26 (permalink)
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We gotta booo KG when he comes to Toronto. Maybe we can clap when he has the ball, but that night seem like we're cheering for him.
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Old 11-11-2008, 12:34 PM   #27 (permalink)
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He still could.

LBJ was a kid from Cleveland when he was drafted. Not a superstar. I found it a little suspicious even at the time.
Cleveland was the worst team in the league at that time and had the most ping pong balls no?


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Bargnani's prior involvement with Gherardini makes me suspicious.

I don't know... Maybe Bargs really is a let down for a lot of people. I'm not saying the NBA league office can make players great, it can just tell a story
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But again, Bargs wasnt the consensus pick, and if the NBA really wanted to see Canadas team succeed forever, they wouldnt have made the HS ruling.

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Ok, go through the four major sports and tell me the last time the top regular season teams from both halves of whatever bracket made it to the finals. It's not all that likely. It's suspicious.
In the 6 series combined that both teams played before the finals, whatd you see that was suspicious? CLE was the only team in the 6 series that had a chance vs either Boston or LA. They took em to the brink and Boston made the plays when it counted. The best of the best rise to the top, why is it so insane that the best 2 teams make it to the finals? Maybe they were the top teams in their conference for a reason?

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You didn't find the Pau Gasol trade a little suspicious?
Are you serious? The NBA doesnt control trades. The Memphis GM isnt in the business of helping another team win a title even though it may have looked that way, the move has actually benefitted Memphis even now, and especially in the future. As bad as it looked then its looking a lot better now because of the cap space they have and the core they have is pretty impressive. Memphis is no longer a pushover, mark it down on the calendar easy win anymore and theyre really one star PF away from making the playoffs.
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Old 11-11-2008, 12:49 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Calling games based upon momentum and reputation is wrong.

That is all.
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Old 11-11-2008, 12:50 PM   #29 (permalink)
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We gotta booo KG when he comes to Toronto. Maybe we can clap when he has the ball, but that night seem like we're cheering for him.
I plan on doing exactly that. Sorry ... I repect KG as a player, but all his showboating last night got under my skin.
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Old 11-11-2008, 12:54 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Calling games based upon momentum and reputation is wrong.

That is all.
I think the reputation fouls have gone down this year from what I've watched around the league(as crazy as it may sound its true), but the momentum fouls are still there. Maybe its tougher than we think to not get caught up in the moment and base calls off the crowd noise and player intensity, but it shouldnt matter because thats their fucking job to distinguish whats a foul and what isnt based on contact and what actually happened player wise and not whats happening around them
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Old 11-11-2008, 01:00 PM   #31 (permalink)
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I agree it's hard.

However, look at Bargnani.

Kid gets raped, I mean they call him like its a Canadian College game (tight as fuck).

"face guys" for the NBA can take 4 steps and not get called for the walk. Bargnani, who's stutter step is almost always legal, gets called for travelling. "you gota earn that rookie"

WTF?

PP gets like 5-6 phantom calls in a row, in the fourth, Toronto plays very nice defence and get rewarded how?????

By Garnett basically demanding 2 specific calls be overturned in crucial moments of the game.

Are the Refs afraid of the big Black man?

I sure as fuck hope not. But I gotta be honest, that GT call was atrocious, and the block call was a god damned crime. But hey, Bargnani picks the ball up at the elbow, makes a great drive, and some little guy skitles in after the fact and gets the call (which is the IMPROPER rule interpretation).

Hard to stay interested in a league like that Thriller, it's frustrating.

All i did was make for great ESPN, which is exactly how it's scripted
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Old 11-11-2008, 01:18 PM   #32 (permalink)
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I was really only angry at the 3-4 calls at the start of the 4th and 3 of Bargs' foul calls, besides that the refs werent that noticeable which is always a good thing, but again we didnt lose because of them.

And again, this hasnt been happening that much this year from what I've watched, for the most part especially in the 4th the refs have let the players play and the players have complained about fouls and stuff, but id rather there be no calls then sketchy calls really. Let the players decide it, which is really what they did after about the 8 min mark of the 4th. We didnt deserve to win yesterday after our 2nd half performance. Jason Kapono was the only one t hat could silence the crowd and thats just bad.
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Old 11-11-2008, 01:44 PM   #33 (permalink)
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that offensive foul on parker against Pierce was the biggest load of crap ever.
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Old 11-11-2008, 02:02 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Old 11-11-2008, 02:10 PM   #35 (permalink)
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There have been terrible calls all season long so far, and I usally find that even though there's bad calls, they tend to balance out. But we have had a couple of games where we can't seem to get a call, and guys like Bargnani get called for nothing.

Boston has to be one intimidating place for a ref though.
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I was really only angry at the 3-4 calls at the start of the 4th and 3 of Bargs' foul calls, besides that the refs werent that noticeable which is always a good thing, but again we didnt lose because of them.
Thriller, you've just listed 7 questionable foul calls! 7, do you realize that?

That's huge in the way something like this can impact a tight game, especially for the road team, playing against thew reigning champs. Even if not all them are shooting calls, the points differential resulting from those fouls not being called is potentially huge, not to mention the effects on team moral.
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Old 11-11-2008, 02:26 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Boston has to be one intimidating place for a ref though.
If refs can be intimidated, they should resign.

Or better yet, get Toronto mafia to start sending horse heads around? C'mon...
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I would think that if Boston's charging call doesn't get reversed, and we maybe get one call leading to freethrows or make a damn shot - hell take a damn shot - the result would have been different. That sounds conflicted, and it is, because I see where Toronto shot themselves with the overpassing, and not valuing possessions when they had a lead.

Somebody wanna know why Moon wasn't playing in the fourth? Notice that ugly early shot from behind the arc when the lead was double-digits? That was the time to try to get some calls, and those calls would have made all of Pierce's phantom calls irrelevant. The same went for Bargnani. The Celtics were offering us the mid-range jumpers, but he couldn't find it within himself to work inside the arc. Another wasted possession when the lead was big - Bargnani's wonderful airball.

So yeah - the calls sucked ass, and probably helped a team that shouldn't need it, get a W. But Boston was at least smart enough to take what was offered to them, largely a bunch of contested jumpshots to go with the freethrows, and it seemed like Pierce couldn't miss, and no ref caused that to happen.
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If refs can be intimidated, they should resign.

Or better yet, get Toronto mafia to start sending horse heads around? C'mon...
So you're saying they can't be human?
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Old 11-11-2008, 03:22 PM   #40 (permalink)
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So you're saying they can't be human?
Not when they are on the job. I realize this job requires nerves of steel and a serious presence of mind - but it's not like this a job for the regular Joe Blow and it pays slightly higher by the hour than flipping burgers, no?
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