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Acie 05-16-2011 12:24 PM

NBA No Defense Team
 
From Tim Kawakami of The Mercury News:

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* Andrea Bargnani, Toronto. Amazingly, Bargnani has never won NDPOY.

If Toronto dumps him this summer–as it should–maybe we’ll see Bargs tune it up on D in a better situation, or maybe we’ll see him forever prove that he should’ve won two or three NDPOY’s by now.

I’ll say this: I think Bargnani has been the league’s worst defensive player, play for play, over the last four seasons combined. There’s no bigger invisible man on help at the rim, period.

In the NDPOY race, Bargnani just always just gets beaten out by others in a single season–kind of like Dwyane Wade and the MVP, yes sir.

The Raptors were a horrendous defensive team again, they were at their worst with Bargnani on the floor again (116.3 points per 100 possessions, the highest total I could find among regulars, including Warriors and Cavalier players), and this is just who he is.

Stat snapshot: He plays center, yet Bargnani had 45 blocked shots this season; Wade, who is 8 inches shorter, had 87 blocks.

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* DeMar DeRozan, Toronto. He’s a lousy defensive player who theoretically could be a very good one, if he ever decides he’s interested in that. Through two seasons–thoroughly uninterested.

Sometimes the player gets sucked into the Raptor way. Sometimes the player’s laziness helps create the Raptor way. DeRozan’s right in the middle of that right now.

LINK - Mercury News

jeffb 05-16-2011 12:28 PM

Couldn't agree more on both counts! Although there's still hope for DD, Bargnani is a lost cause. That Bargnani to Wade blocked shots comparison is so sad!

Claudius 05-16-2011 12:32 PM

Wait, why is Bargnani a lost cause on defense and DeRozan isn't? Is it solely based on age?

Also, the "Raptor Way".....that depressed me, just a bit.

dfunkie1 05-16-2011 12:33 PM

while i'm not going to disagree with selections like jefferson, amare and bargs, i just hate how everything has become so statistical when it comes to defence. to me, the only stat that matters on defence is the opponents FG% and measuring that doesn't even prove anything individually. these plus minus stats are on par with jeffb as the most annoying thing to do with basketball discussions.

Claudius 05-16-2011 12:33 PM

Just read more of that, a couple guys Raptor fans want (Ellis and Flynn) are also mentioned. So, let's go get those guys!

dfunkie1 05-16-2011 12:38 PM

here's my golden rule

if he plays on golden state, you don't want him on your team. they don't play defence and all their stats are inflated.

jeffb 05-16-2011 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Claudius (Post 539391)
Wait, why is Bargnani a lost cause on defense and DeRozan isn't? Is it solely based on age?

Also, the "Raptor Way".....that depressed me, just a bit.

Bargnani has had five years to improve. And he has no interest in playing defense. Derozan on the other hand, is younger, quicker, more athletic so imo he has more of a chance to improve on defense. But he has to want to, which at this point is the main question mark. Basically though Bargnani has lost my patience after 5 seasons while Derozan still has me there hoping he improves.

GrannyFro 05-16-2011 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Claudius (Post 539391)
Wait, why is Bargnani a lost cause on defense and DeRozan isn't? Is it solely based on age?

how about because bargnani is a massive pussy that fears contact, as talented as he is

Northern Neighbour 05-16-2011 01:04 PM

Does DD really belong on that list? I thought he improved his defence over the season.

And how is Calderon not on it?

jeffb 05-16-2011 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GrannyFro (Post 539405)
how about because bargnani is a massive pussy that fears contact, as talented as he is

And he wears a mouthguard. Which even I can see how funny that is.

GrannyFro 05-16-2011 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 539410)
And he wears a mouthguard. Which even I can see how funny that is.

he doesn't even need it, he usually just steps out of the way at the first sign of contact and thats if he isn't caught in his usual defensive trance

i'm starting to think the coachs need to get him drunk before games

moujik 05-16-2011 04:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 539410)
And he wears a mouthguard. Which even I can see how funny that is.

Don't forget AB is a fashion model, his face is his job!

Leafhater 05-16-2011 04:50 PM

They could have put our entire starting lineup under this caption and we really couldn't argue much. That's sad

Barracuda 05-16-2011 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by moujik (Post 539462)
Don't forget AB is a fashion model, his face is his job!

I thought he was a pasta model.

In which case, his face is still his job.

jeffb 05-16-2011 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by moujik (Post 539462)
Don't forget AB is a fashion model, his face is his job!

The only problem is, at some point his mouth will cease to close. And he'll look like this permanently.

http://www.calciosport24.it/wp-conte...nani-mouth.jpg


Not very model like is it?

powerfulpanda 05-16-2011 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 539474)
The only problem is, at some point his mouth will cease to close. And he'll look like this permanently.

http://www.calciosport24.it/wp-conte...nani-mouth.jpg


Not very model like is it?

like he's sucking ****

BballWatcher 05-16-2011 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 539474)
The only problem is, at some point his mouth will cease to close. And he'll look like this permanently.

http://www.calciosport24.it/wp-conte...nani-mouth.jpg


Not very model like is it?


It's very much like a Real Doll!

carp 05-16-2011 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by powerfulpanda (Post 539479)
like he's sucking ****

clever.

Barracuda 05-16-2011 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by powerfulpanda (Post 539479)
like he's sucking ****

Hmm... four asterisks... so four letters... what could that mean...

Pigs! Is it pigs??? He's sucking pigs.

Chiggmo 05-16-2011 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Barracuda (Post 539483)
Hmm... four asterisks... so four letters... what could that mean...

Pigs! Is it pigs??? He's sucking pigs.

You are correct dear!


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