NBA Mythbusters: Is Andrea Bargnani A Terrible Defender?
Old 07-23-2011, 09:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I know we discussed this endless time, but I think this article is really interesting. I think the first mistake was to let him play C and then as a 3rd big with JO and bosh, not to mention Jay`s system...

Link: Debunking a Myth about Bargnani's Defense
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Old 07-23-2011, 10:12 PM   #2 (permalink)
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This was posted in his report card thread, but we can talk about it more here I guess.

He's pretty terrible against anything other than a pretty static offensive set, and at times inexcusably atrocious. I don't know how anyone can watch him lost in no-man's land and just watching, and think otherwise. The team results defensively when he is on the floor as opposed to off the floor show as much as well. Obsessing about his position is not all that pertinent. They have done everything they could to get the most out of him. If anyone thinks that he helps this team more defending PFs, and ending up as unsure where to be and watching the opposing team take advantage of him, then I'd be interested in seeing how that happens.
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This whole team sucked defensively so I don't think we have seen anyone's best.
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Old 07-24-2011, 05:49 AM   #4 (permalink)
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This whole team sucked defensively so I don't think we have seen anyone's best.
I thought Ed, JJ, Amir and Bayless did a great job. Kleiza when healthy is pesky also.
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ed defended pretty well overall, sure he missed his share of assignments, but i cough that up to being a rookie, with experience and added body muscle he will be a good defender, i'm not worried about him, plus he already has the shot blocking down even as a rookie lost on the court half the time
amir is a good defender as long as he is not getting into foul trouble
bayless does a good job of staying in front of his man, he just lacks size and his teammates don't help him when there's a screen
JJ has the tools to be a good defender, i think he's alright overall right now, but can be good
the biggest problem here is the whole team doesn't know how to play good team defense as in rotate and help properly, thats basically how you have to play D, no team puts out 5 guys who just defend man on man their own guy, there's always screens and passes that make you have to rotate and switch, that is when we are most lost
but you can see Bargs is not a good man on man defender
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IMO if you are 5 you have to know a large % of your defensive role is being a help defender. You are the last line of defense. This I admit is problematic when you have the defensive prowess of Josie attempting to deflect penetration in to the key, forcing you to look over shoulder on every trip down the floor. I think Casey is going to do a better job then Jay in out lining positional roles. I think Andrea's awareness is going to improve. But the bottom line is Andrea is going defend and rebound better at the high post as opposed to having to drop down to the base line. Ie. he will defend better as a 4. But regardless of were he plays he has to show some intensity on that end of the floor, maybe risk putting himself into foul trouble every once in awhile.
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I thought Ed, JJ, Amir and Bayless did a great job. Kleiza when healthy is pesky also.
Ed was fine for a rookie, JJ is meh, Amir was downright bad and Bayless is just too short.

and you can't seprate out help defense. Everytime someone said Bargs was a bad defender, help defense, off the ball and rebounding were mentioned.
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as atrocious of a defender Bargs was at times, he wasnt the main defensive problem imo.

If our starting guards (calderon, derozan) learned to keep in front of their man for a change, we wudnt have had to rely on Bargs help d so often.....

After all, if you think about it, the worst aspect of Bargs defense is due to the fact he is forced to try bail out his teammates after their defensive failures...and clearly he showed he couldn't or adapt to the sudden change of offensive scheme (something he needs to work on)

Not even close to complementing him here btw, clearly he has his issues...but i cant stand the bitter ppl looking for a single scapegoat to pin all their frustrations on after our shitty season..

Bargs d sucked = yes, but also overall team d sucked as well! lets not forget that
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Old 07-24-2011, 10:42 PM   #9 (permalink)
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There is another kind of defense called transition defense. When you're shooting bombs at the top of the three, it's kind of important. It's also just another facet of defense where Andrea looks like a high school freshman.
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There is another kind of defense called transition defense. When you're shooting bombs at the top of the three, it's kind of important. It's also just another facet of defense where Andrea looks like a high school freshman.
Bargnani is one of many... point me to those threads!

I think we'll see Casey change alot of minds going forward.... though many will still be stuck in their rut of thought.


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Bargnani is one of many... point me to those threads!

I think we'll see Casey change alot of minds going forward.... though many will still be stuck in their rut of thought.

And if he doesn't will you still be stuck in yours?
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And if he doesn't will you still be stuck in yours?
I'm not stuck, I recognize he needs to improve..... so no. lol But yes, because I'll still be of the mindset that all raps players need to improve defensively. But no, because hopefully not as much as now. But yes, because I'm sure there will still be absurd amounts of hate. But no, because the hate is sparked by love. But yes..... oh yes....
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his man2man defense is alright
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his man2man defense is alright
I agree but it took a step back this past season, in my eyes & many peoples eyes
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I thought it was a good article... I actually agree with the guy pretty much.
AB is a good one on one defender. He even covers little guys ok for a large guy.

He's just terribly lost otherwise and that has to change, or, he will never be a good player.
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I thought it was a good article... I actually agree with the guy pretty much.
AB is a good one on one defender. He even covers little guys ok for a large guy.

He's just terribly lost otherwise and that has to change, or, he will never be a good player.


This i can agree with. I think what most have a problem with when it comes to Bargnani is his overall effort on D and even at times on offense when he settles. His comments about defense don't help his cause either.
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This i can agree with. I think what most have a problem with when it comes to Bargnani is his overall effort on D and even at times on offense when he settles. His comments about defense don't help his cause either.
I agree. Though it's sad that his sarcasm gets taken far too seriously..... but, yeah, his effort needs to be more consistent.
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I agree. Though it's sad that his sarcasm gets taken far too seriously..... but, yeah, his effort needs to be more consistent.

Nobody denies he has talent. But the lack of effort coupled with his short coming and some of his comments turn people off. I was a Bargnani fan up until last season. The last half of 2009-10 season had me excited to watch him this past season, but it didn't take long for the frustration to set in once again.
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I would call it a lack of intensity, not a lack of effort. If it was just effort I would be fine you can change that. Intensity issues are usually tied in directly to a persons actually personality.

Frightening.
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Bargnani is one of many... point me to those threads!

I think we'll see Casey change alot of minds going forward.... though many will still be stuck in their rut of thought.


Bargnani is one of many what? He's a horrible transition defender, he has god-awful instincts.

He isn't one of many, he is special.
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