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Claudius 01-17-2012 09:04 PM

NBA GM survey (Raptors related)
 
Some Raptors tidbits

Quote:

Which international player is most likely to have a breakout season in 2011-12?

1. Ricky Rubio, Minnesota -- 37.0%
2. Nicolas Batum, Portland -- 14.8%
3. Danilo Gallinari, Denver -- 11.1%
T4. Andrea Bargnani, Toronto -- 7.4%
T4. Serge Ibaka, Oklahoma City -- 7.4%
T4. Jonas Jerebko, Detroit -- 7.4%

Also receiving votes: Omer Asik, Chicago; Gustavo Ayon, New Orleans; Omri Casspi, Cleveland; Marcin Gortat, Phoenix
Last year: Rodrigue Beaubois -- 21.4%
Quote:

Who is the best international player NOT in the NBA?

1. Jonas Valanciunas -- 36.0%
2. Juan Carlos Navarro -- 32.0%
3. Andrei Kirilenko -- 20.0%

Also receiving votes: Furkan Aldemir, Mirza Teletovic, Milos Teodosic
Last year: Ricky Rubio -- 42.3%
Quote:

Which head coach runs the best offense?

1. George Karl, Denver -- 22.2%
2. Rick Adelman, Minnesota -- 18.5%
T3. Rick Carlisle, Dallas -- 11.1%
T3. Gregg Popovich, San Antonio -- 11.1%
T5. Mike Brown, L.A. Lakers -- 7.4%
T5. Mike D'Antoni -- New York -- 7.4%

Also receiving votes: Scott Brooks, Oklahoma City; Dwane Casey, Toronto; Doug Collins, Philadelphia; Erik Spoelstra, Miami; Tom Thibodeau, Chicago; Stan Van Gundy, Orlando
Last year: Jerry Sloan -- 35.7%
Quote:

Which active player will make the best head coach someday?

1. Derek Fisher, L.A. Lakers -- 25.9%
T2. Shane Battier, Miami -- 14.8%
T2. Chauncey Billups, L.A. Clippers -- 14.8%
T4. Grant Hill, Phoenix -- 7.4%
T4. Steve Nash, Phoenix -- 7.4%
T4. Chris Paul, L.A. Clippers -- 7.4%

Also receiving votes: Ray Allen, Boston; Mike Bibby, New York; Anthony Carter, Toronto; Juwan Howard, Miami; Jason Kidd, Dallas; Earl Watson, Utah
Last year: Derek Fisher -- 29.6%
2011-12 NBA.com GM Survey Results | NBA.com

DDUnreal 01-17-2012 09:11 PM

Quote:

Which head coach has the best defensive schemes?

1. Tom Thibodeau, Chicago -- 61.5%
T2. Mike Brown, L.A. Lakers -- 11.5%
T2. Gregg Popovich, San Antonio -- 11.5%
4. Doc Rivers, Boston -- 7.7%

Also receiving votes: Lionel Hollins, Memphis; Scott Skiles, Milwaukee

Last year: Doc Rivers -- 28.6%
Quote:

Which is the best defensive team in the NBA?

1. Chicago -- 66.7%
T2. Boston -- 11.1%
T2. Miami -- 11.1%

Also receiving votes: Memphis, Milwaukee, San Antonio

Last year: Boston -- 75.0%
Wish we had at least honorable mentions. Not saying we deserve them, but I wish we would.

box92 01-17-2012 09:11 PM

:O best offense :S

Claudius 01-17-2012 09:16 PM

Actually, our offense hasn't been that bad (when we're actually running it). There's a lot of good movement off and on the ball and we get some pretty easy looks.

The problem is that we aren't good enough (talent wise).

Dario 01-18-2012 12:27 AM

Grant Hill would make an awesome headcoach. Maybe Fisher 2

Dario 01-18-2012 12:28 AM

and Lol @ Kirlenko being the best Euro player not in the NBA

jeffb 01-18-2012 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChristTrip (Post 601590)
and Lol @ Kirlenko being the best Euro player not in the NBA

3rd best

Dario 01-18-2012 12:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 601591)
3rd best

still :cookie:

snusnu 01-18-2012 03:39 AM

Quote:

Who is the best international player NOT in the NBA?

1. Jonas Valanciunas -- 36.0%
2. Juan Carlos Navarro -- 32.0%
3. Andrei Kirilenko -- 20.0%

Also receiving votes: Furkan Aldemir, Mirza Teletovic, Milos Teodosic
Last year: Ricky Rubio -- 42.3%
That is COMPLETE NONSENSE!...

LOL
While Krstic and Kirilenko, Navaro, MIrotic, Teletovic, Teodosic and MANY OTHERS are dominating Euroleague, Jonas Valanciunas is some kind of below average in Eurocup...

That's the same as to compare some guy in NBDL with top NBA players and to say that he's way better.

This is Nonsense.

snusnu 01-18-2012 03:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ChristTrip (Post 601592)
still :cookie:

Sorry, but he's one of the best.

Many many many players are waayyy better JV.

You know, in Lithuania we are laughing about this "GM Survey". Such idiots should not manage teams.

Dario 01-18-2012 04:05 AM

Lol, its just a perception, so its all good. Rough analysis.

snusnu 01-18-2012 04:46 AM

no. it is called idiotism.
JV is not near the top 50 players in Europe.
He's just young, average center, playing in Eurocup (NBDL for your understanding).

If you look closely at his game - he's lacking of... everything.
He cannot create an opportunity
weak defender, especially against stronger opponents
No game with his back to the rim
foul prone

etc.

Look at his stats at EuroCup:
VALANCIUNAS, JONAS - Welcome to Eurocup

Look at his stats in Lithuanian Basketball league:
lkl.lt
He's good against teams without centers, but he was complete zero against Euroleague team - Zalgiris (Sonny weems team)...

He's soooo overrated player....

Dario 01-18-2012 06:12 AM

got to recognize that hes only 19

KinoLive 01-18-2012 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snusnu (Post 601628)
no. it is called idiotism.
JV is not near the top 50 players in Europe.
He's just young, average center, playing in Eurocup (NBDL for your understanding).

If you look closely at his game - he's lacking of... everything.
He cannot create an opportunity
weak defender, especially against stronger opponents
No game with his back to the rim
foul prone

etc.

Look at his stats at EuroCup:
VALANCIUNAS, JONAS - Welcome to Eurocup

Look at his stats in Lithuanian Basketball league:
lkl.lt
He's good against teams without centers, but he was complete zero against Euroleague team - Zalgiris (Sonny weems team)...

He's soooo overrated player....

I agree mostly with that. Jonas is not the best, maybe in his age range only. Kirilenko maybe the best here. But Jonas still progressing

Calgary Jazz 01-18-2012 11:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snusnu (Post 601628)
no. it is called idiotism.
JV is not near the top 50 players in Europe.
He's just young, average center, playing in Eurocup (NBDL for your understanding).

If you look closely at his game - he's lacking of... everything.
He cannot create an opportunity
weak defender, especially against stronger opponents
No game with his back to the rim
foul prone

etc.

Look at his stats at EuroCup:
VALANCIUNAS, JONAS - Welcome to Eurocup

Look at his stats in Lithuanian Basketball league:
lkl.lt
He's good against teams without centers, but he was complete zero against Euroleague team - Zalgiris (Sonny weems team)...

He's soooo overrated player....

Your hate on Jonas is hard to understand. You being biased against him - strange coming from lithuanian. He did well playing for national team vs top NBA talent like Nowitzki, Kaman, Gasol's and Ibaka. He destroyed Kristic in game vs Serbia. Whatever his stats are now playing for Rytas means squat - check Rubio stats before he came to NBA did they look impressive? Rytas is bunch of chuckers with yugoslavian coach who sets all his game through perimeter guards and they do not run any plays for Jonas and yet he still is able to post respectable stats in limited minutes. He struggled vs Zalgiris but he played sick, and yet vs best team in Europe ( CSKA ) he posted double double 10pts/11reb in 20 min of play. Why you not talking about it?
And to call him average and ignore his crazy physical tools and potential means you dissing opinions of numerous NBA GM's or NBA scouts... Why don't you apply for the job as a scout, I bet some team will gladly hire such an expert, you probably will come cheaper then most scouts anyway right?

Windex 01-18-2012 11:44 AM

it just goes to show that most NBA GMs don't pay attention to European basketball leagues

Calgary Jazz 01-18-2012 11:45 AM

And this is worth mentioning as well:

Which rookie will be the best player in five years?
1. Kyrie Irving, Cleveland -- 51.9%
T2. Ricky Rubio, Minnesota -- 11.1%
T2. Jonas Valanciunas, Toronto -- 11.1%
T2. Derrick Williams, Minnesota -- 11.1%

Also receiving votes: Alec Burks, Utah; Enes Kanter, Utah; Tristan Thompson, Cleveland; Kemba Walker, Charlotte

Last year: John Wall -- 67.9%


People see potential - better then Kanter or Thompson for a reason.

halphbreedballer 01-18-2012 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Claudius (Post 601514)
Actually, our offense hasn't been that bad (when we're actually running it). There's a lot of good movement off and on the ball and we get some pretty easy looks.

The problem is that we aren't good enough (talent wise).

Agreed if we had some wing players that could hit some outside shots we would be a .500 team IMO, but at this point I would rather keep the hard fighting losses coming.

DDUnreal 01-18-2012 12:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by snusnu (Post 601628)
no. it is called idiotism.
JV is not near the top 50 players in Europe.
He's just young, average center, playing in Eurocup (NBDL for your understanding).

If you look closely at his game - he's lacking of... everything.
He cannot create an opportunity
weak defender, especially against stronger opponents
No game with his back to the rim
foul prone

etc.

Look at his stats at EuroCup:
VALANCIUNAS, JONAS - Welcome to Eurocup

Look at his stats in Lithuanian Basketball league:
lkl.lt
He's good against teams without centers, but he was complete zero against Euroleague team - Zalgiris (Sonny weems team)...

He's soooo overrated player....

This post made me want to punch someone. So not excited for the raps future at all atm

Tommy C 01-18-2012 01:58 PM

It's too early to decide how JV will be in the next few years.
I still think Kemba could have been great for the Raps with his passion and scoring ability.


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