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Old 04-30-2009, 09:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Hello Jackals,

The draft is coming up, and we are all getting ready to type away until our little fingers are worn thin about the merits of this can't miss over this other can't miss. Were gonna read countless posts about how terrible Brian Colangelo is, about how Bargnani is a bust, yadda yadda, RealGM BS out the ying yang from self proclaimed "experts" on the subject of basketball.

So.

Before we do, I wann ask you all this, what do all of these players listed have in common????

Steve Kerr
Darius Songaila
Ryan Gomes
Haywoode Workman
Andray Blatche
Leon Powe
Cedric Ceballos
Marc Gasol
Gerald Wilkins
Vernon Maxwell
Todd MacCulloch
Paul Millsap
Jerome Kersey
Jeff Hornacek
Richard Dumas
Voshon Lenard
Matt Barnes
Antonio Davis
Bobby Phills
Byron Russell
Matt Bonner
Louis Williams
Malik Rose
Sean Marks
Trevor Ariza
Eric Snow
Stephen Jackson
Lee Nailon
Michael Reddon
Keith Bogans
Bobby Simmons
Ronald Murray
Zaur Pachulia
Daniel Gibson
Cuttino Mobley
Francisco Elson
Willie Green
Roko Ukic
Dino Radja
Anthony Johnson
Earl Watson
Juan Carlos Navarro
Monta Ellis
Chris Douglas-Roberts
Emanuel Ginobili
Chris Carr
Luis Scola
Amir Johnson
Ramon Sessions
Mark Blount
Kyle Korver

Your answer my friends, is simple, every one of these guys was drafted from picks 40 to 60 in the NBA draft.

What does that tell you?

Hell these guys wearnt even drafted;

Avery Johnson
John Starks
Tim Legler
Chris Childs
Terry Davis
David Benoit
Keith Askins
Matt Bullard
Michael Curry
Scott Williams
Darrell Armstrong
Robert Pack
Darrick Martin
David Wesley
Aaron Williams
Bo Outlaw
Bruce Bowen
Ben Wallace
Chucky Atkins
Damon Jones
Ira Newble
Mikki Moore
Troy Hudson
Anthony Carter
Brad Miller
Earl Boykins
Mike James
Chris Andersen
Raja Bell
Malik Allen
Andres Nocioni
Carlos Arroyo
Devin Brown
Jannero Pargo
Reggie Evans
Smush Parker
Udonis Haslem

You see, in the above lists, you have nothing but good serviceable players to outright allstars and award winning players. Guys that were passed over by every gm in the league for the mostpart, not once, but twice in the same draft.

We constantly wanna tear apart General Managers for thier micks, and praise other for thier gems, but th fact is, Manu Ginobli went 50+ and the Spurs passed on him before they took him. Everyone on here talks about how smart the GM in SA is, but he took Leon Fucking Smith 24th, leaving Ginobli out there for almost 30 picks before they got him.

So before you guys start tearing each other apart, and before you start playing the Hindsight GM role on guys that do this for a living, remember this, it's the draft, these are young kids who are as unpredictable as the weather.

Michael Jordan was picked third.
Kobe Bryant was picked 13th.

You never know.

Keep this in mind when you're thinking about basketball, and how teams are built, and the thought processes that GM's have to go through when balancing budgets, and trading picks away, or trading for them.

It's a tough job, and you're graded on unknowns.
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:04 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Jose Calderon wasn't drafted either. You can add him to your list
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Old 04-30-2009, 09:53 PM   #3 (permalink)
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People who are drafted later tend to try and prove themselves much better.
but in this draft pick BC wants toughness.
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True true true.

Maybe we'll get another Kobe in the draft

Lol on wikipedia it says that Kobe was named after his parents favorite Japanese beef called Kobe Beef.
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Fair enough. The Kobe thing, if I remember correctly was more about posturing on his side and essentially choosing who he wanted to go to. I remember there was drama about philly possibly choosing him and then the nets as well before Charlotte agreed to trade him for Vlade. But still, good scouting will get you a long, long way.
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Maybe we'll get another Kobe in the draft

Lol on wikipedia it says that Kobe was named after his parents favorite Japanese beef called Kobe Beef
I love kobe beef......i had it at milestones once
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Old 05-01-2009, 03:06 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Interesting on the non-draft list you got:

Ben Wallace, Bruce Bowen, Raja Bell, Chris Anderson... That is one hell of a defensive team.
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Old 05-01-2009, 06:39 AM   #9 (permalink)
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so, they are faultless, just let a monkey throw darts at a wall!!
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Old 05-01-2009, 08:34 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I'd still like to explore packaging the pick with either Kapono or Banks to get rid of a deadwood contract. I haven't been following the draft picks much though to be honest.
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Garbajosa was also undrafted.
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Fair enough. The Kobe thing, if I remember correctly was more about posturing on his side and essentially choosing who he wanted to go to. I remember there was drama about philly possibly choosing him and then the nets as well before Charlotte agreed to trade him for Vlade. But still, good scouting will get you a long, long way.
yup....
charlotte drafted him, but he straight out said he will only play in LA, so they traded him for Vlade.

i think its funny that guys like steve francis get shit on for pulling those kinda tricks, yet no one ever mentions that kobe did it.
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yup....
charlotte drafted him, but he straight out said he will only play in LA, so they traded him for Vlade.

i think its funny that guys like steve francis get shit on for pulling those kinda tricks, yet no one ever mentions that kobe did it.
And think about how fast people got past his whole incident in Colorado. Same thing with Jordan. Basketball circles tend to conveniently neglect that he cheated on his wife and probably lost just as much money or more than Charles Barkley did through gambling.
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Old 05-01-2009, 12:36 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Too early to say who to draft. It would nice to hear how the head to head workouts go with James Harden, Tyreke Evans, Demar Derozan, and Gerald Henderson. If Ukic is not the answer next year, the head to head workouts with Brandon Jennings, Stephen Curry, Ty Lawson, and the Flynn kid from Cuse should be closely watched.
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Old 05-04-2009, 01:18 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Jose and Garbajosa don't count, they were FA's.
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Hello Jackals,

The draft is coming up, and we are all getting ready to type away until our little fingers are worn thin about the merits of this can't miss over this other can't miss. Were gonna read countless posts about how terrible Brian Colangelo is, about how Bargnani is a bust, yadda yadda, RealGM BS out the ying yang from self proclaimed "experts" on the subject of basketball.

So.

Before we do, I wann ask you all this, what do all of these players listed have in common????

Steve Kerr
Darius Songaila
Ryan Gomes
Haywoode Workman
Andray Blatche
Leon Powe
Cedric Ceballos
Marc Gasol
Gerald Wilkins
Vernon Maxwell
Todd MacCulloch
Paul Millsap
Jerome Kersey
Jeff Hornacek
Richard Dumas
Voshon Lenard
Matt Barnes
Antonio Davis
Bobby Phills
Byron Russell
Matt Bonner
Louis Williams
Malik Rose
Sean Marks
Trevor Ariza
Eric Snow
Stephen Jackson
Lee Nailon
Michael Reddon
Keith Bogans
Bobby Simmons
Ronald Murray
Zaur Pachulia
Daniel Gibson
Cuttino Mobley
Francisco Elson
Willie Green
Roko Ukic
Dino Radja
Anthony Johnson
Earl Watson
Juan Carlos Navarro
Monta Ellis
Chris Douglas-Roberts
Emanuel Ginobili
Chris Carr
Luis Scola
Amir Johnson
Ramon Sessions
Mark Blount
Kyle Korver

Your answer my friends, is simple, every one of these guys was drafted from picks 40 to 60 in the NBA draft.

What does that tell you?

Hell these guys wearnt even drafted;

Avery Johnson
John Starks
Tim Legler
Chris Childs
Terry Davis
David Benoit
Keith Askins
Matt Bullard
Michael Curry
Scott Williams
Darrell Armstrong
Robert Pack
Darrick Martin
David Wesley
Aaron Williams
Bo Outlaw
Bruce Bowen
Ben Wallace
Chucky Atkins
Damon Jones
Ira Newble
Mikki Moore
Troy Hudson
Anthony Carter
Brad Miller
Earl Boykins
Mike James
Chris Andersen
Raja Bell
Malik Allen
Andres Nocioni
Carlos Arroyo
Devin Brown
Jannero Pargo
Reggie Evans
Smush Parker
Udonis Haslem

You see, in the above lists, you have nothing but good serviceable players to outright allstars and award winning players. Guys that were passed over by every gm in the league for the mostpart, not once, but twice in the same draft.

We constantly wanna tear apart General Managers for thier micks, and praise other for thier gems, but th fact is, Manu Ginobli went 50+ and the Spurs passed on him before they took him. Everyone on here talks about how smart the GM in SA is, but he took Leon Fucking Smith 24th, leaving Ginobli out there for almost 30 picks before they got him.

So before you guys start tearing each other apart, and before you start playing the Hindsight GM role on guys that do this for a living, remember this, it's the draft, these are young kids who are as unpredictable as the weather.

Michael Jordan was picked third.
Kobe Bryant was picked 13th.

You never know.

Keep this in mind when you're thinking about basketball, and how teams are built, and the thought processes that GM's have to go through when balancing budgets, and trading picks away, or trading for them.

It's a tough job, and you're graded on unknowns.
this was interesting to read, thanks for taking time this actually brought my hopes up now im excited for the draft!!!!!!!!!!!
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Old 05-04-2009, 02:30 PM   #17 (permalink)
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i don't agree at all. proper scouting puts limitations on unanswered questions. it's easy to put a list of players who passed under the radar, but why not look and see what the common denominator is between all of them; under-sided, slow or one trick ponies.

also

90% of them are role players. you look for them in the second, it's not like there's eight rounds in the nba draft.

regarding manu - credit the spurs GM. he had scouts in europe when other teams were sticking to north america.
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Old 05-04-2009, 02:45 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Here is the disadvantage when comparing this draft against prior years' draft. First, there are no high school players. So picking high school players higher in the draft (Kobe, Rashard Lewis, Mont Ellis, Jermaine O'Neil, Al Harrington) should not be compared to prior years' draft results. Also, European players are highly scouted these days as compared to years past, so picking european players (AK47, Parker, Ginobili, Okur) higher in the draft should not be compared. Lets face it, the 2009 Class is a weak draft.
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It seems like every year the draft ends up looking better as the time to choose approaches. Too much emphasis gets put on the sure things that jump out at anybody drafting high. Any team paying attention should be able to find some decent talent in the top ten of just about any draft, while some of the guys that stand out as sure things often disappoint. They all need to be measured as basketball players without any of the accumulated hype that might have built up around them, and that's not so easy I suppose.
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Jose and Garbajosa don't count, they were FA's.
calderon was entered to be drafted one year i believe
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