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Jose Calderon 20 27.78%
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:31 PM   #81 (permalink)
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And what we are doing is more intelligent?

I know that tanking is not a reliable option, but perhaps we can pull a okc?

Everything is better than this madness, its depressing.
Ok so lets get rid of all our talent, lose the next 2-4 seasons and pray we get a top 5 pick in 2014 and that said player becomes a star and turns us into a playoff team by 2016? Oh gee, can we?
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:32 PM   #82 (permalink)
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I think Ross and JV are capable of being much better... and adding Iggy would be huge. One of the best two-way players in the game that makes others better and can be fit with many different types of players.
I see your point, but again, this would already mean a steal (the trade) and a good development of our youth, but is Lowry our pg? Is Davis our PF?

Is only so frustrating to be a Raptors fan (every year you hope things get better and wake up frustrated).
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:44 PM   #83 (permalink)
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Ok so lets get rid of all our talent, lose the next 2-4 seasons and pray we get a top 5 pick in 2014 and that said player becomes a star and turns us into a playoff team by 2016? Oh gee, can we?
Hmm, i suggested to part way with:

Lowry (likely to leave in 1 1/2 seasons anyway)
Bargs (if im not mistaken most here want to get rid of him)
Calderon (same as Bargs and he is expiring too)
DD (many already state Ross will be better)
Davis (ok, here you have a point, if he is committed to Toronto...)

I dont see all that talent we get rid off (barring Lowry perhaps), at least looking at your posts.
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Is only so frustrating to be a Raptors fan (every year you hope things get better and wake up frustrated).
Hence all these ridiculous comments of tanking again...

A broken clock is right 2 times a day. The team has a softness in the schedule, they win and now posters are going apeshit for JC. The clock is still broken folks, taking a major step back if the team trades KL and anyone thinking that Lowry is not the pg moving forward is kidding himself. Time will be given to integrate KL into the system

To me this article is nothing more than raising JCs trade value, he'll be moved by the trade deadline.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:00 PM   #85 (permalink)
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Hence all these ridiculous comments of tanking again...

A broken clock is right 2 times a day. The team has a softness in the schedule, they win and now posters are going apeshit for JC. The clock is still broken folks, taking a major step back if the team trades KL and anyone thinking that Lowry is not the pg moving forward is kidding himself. Time will be given to integrate KL into the system

To me this article is nothing more than raising JCs trade value, he'll be moved by the trade deadline.



Let's hope all of this is true, because the discusion around here has gotten ridiculous the last 2-3 weeks. Well, more so than usual. lol
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:01 PM   #86 (permalink)
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Hence all these ridiculous comments of tanking again...

A broken clock is right 2 times a day. The team has a softness in the schedule, they win and now posters are going apeshit for JC. The clock is still broken folks, taking a major step back if the team trades KL and anyone thinking that Lowry is not the pg moving forward is kidding himself. Time will be given to integrate KL into the system

To me this article is nothing more than raising JCs trade value, he'll be moved by the trade deadline.
I don't think that's a given. Lowry has several warts... keeping him isn't as guaranteed as you suggest. I think trading for him partly was with the idea that if he overperformed, he may be a huge trade piece as well. JV and Ross are the future, any building should be done with their prime years in mind.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:02 PM   #87 (permalink)
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Brian Burke has done a great job turning round a dead franchise in a city that is historically pretty hard to win in as a Hockey player...in the modern age anyhow. It's more complex than you are giving credit.

Toronto was 6-8 points out of 4th I believe last year, thats three-4 wins. th NHL is tight. Toronto has the best farm system out there, or close to it, all built by burke. th AHL team is killing it, and the main squad has 3-4 really good young players, and three top forwards in grabovski, Lupol, and Kessel.

So ya, nice avatar.
What?

Anyways, BB isn't the Marlies GM, Nonis is. Compiling the best secondary players isn't an accomplishment.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:10 PM   #88 (permalink)
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What?

Anyways, BB isn't the Marlies GM, Nonis is. Compiling the best secondary players isn't an accomplishment.
Yes because nonis drafts all the talent. Ridiculous to say its not burke that's responsible and ya.. avatar is just silly.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:14 PM   #89 (permalink)
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NLZ, your avy should only have one word on it over that ugly mug.....PUGNACITY! lol
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:14 PM   #90 (permalink)
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Hence all these ridiculous comments of tanking again...

A broken clock is right 2 times a day. The team has a softness in the schedule, they win and now posters are going apeshit for JC. The clock is still broken folks, taking a major step back if the team trades KL and anyone thinking that Lowry is not the pg moving forward is kidding himself. Time will be given to integrate KL into the system

To me this article is nothing more than raising JCs trade value, he'll be moved by the trade deadline.
Lowry is a really good point guard but I don't think we should keep him or Jose. Reason being that by the time were actually relevant lowry will have left or will be past his prime by then. I would rather draft a pg for the future so that by the time were legit contenders for the playoffs he' probably be 23-24
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:16 PM   #91 (permalink)
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Lowry is a really good point guard but I don't think we should keep him or Jose. Reason being that by the time were actually relevant lowry will have left or will be past his prime by then.
He's 26, so he'll be past his prime at 28-29??? Really dude? You'd rather have a rookie here or a 23 year old in charge of a young team with little talent?
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:20 PM   #92 (permalink)
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He's 26, so he'll be past his prime at 28-29??? Really dude? You'd rather have a rookie here or a 23 year old in charge of a young team with little talent?
You'll probably disagree, but I don't think we'd really make any noise in the playoffs until he's around 29ish. Plus it's not so much his age (I know he's just entering his prime right now and will be in it at 29 most likely) but with his attitude I dot think he'd want to stay on this team because he's a win now guy that would rather play for a playoff team i would think.
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You'll probably disagree, but I don't think we'd really make any noise in the playoffs until he's around 29ish.
I said 28-29....are we really going to split hairs here. To me the prime of someones career is 26 to 32 years old.
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I said 28-29....are we really going to split hairs here. To me the prime of someones career is 26 to 32 years old.
What no I'm agreeing with you lol
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What no I'm agreeing with you lol
You're agreeing with me by teling me i'll probably disagree with you?
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You're agreeing with me by teling me i'll probably disagree with you?
No sorry I worded it wrong, what I meant you'd probably disagree with is that I don't think we will be a decent play off team for another couple years which by then he would be around 29 and I don't think he would still be here that long. It's not the prime thing because he would definitely be in his prime at that point I just don't think he would want to stay with us that long f were not making the playoffs or getting eliminated in the first round.

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My problem is that i can't see a way to get better.

Say we trade Bargs and Calderon for a good SF (say Iggy)

than our lineup will be:

Lowry, LIII
DD, Ross
Iggy, AA, Pietrus, Fields, Kleiza
Davis, Kleiza, Amir
Gray, JV

Sorry, but bar an explosion from Ross and JV this team means treadmill with first round playoff exits for years to come, and if lowry keeps up with his injuries we are one injury away from the 12th-14th in the standings. At this point, if the '14 is stacked, why not tank hard?
Steve, this ain't a bad plan. I am not sure our ownership would have a stomach for it or that I'd have faith in our current management team as talent evaluators, but if they look to truly build a contender here, your way is definitely not a bad one.
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Old 12-28-2012, 04:32 PM   #98 (permalink)
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No sorry I worded it wrong, what I meant you'd probably disagree with is that I don't think we will be a decent play off team for another couple years which by then he would be around 29 and I don't think he would still be here that long
Oh i also don't think we'll be a decent playoff team for a couple years. As for him not being here that long, remains to be seen but if we're not headed in the right direction i wouldn't doubt he wouldn't stay to say the least.
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I have 2 concerns about KL:
- he will leave if we don't get competitive
- we will not be competitive for another 2-3 seasons
- even if he remains the way he plays will make him break down faster, so in 3 year he will already have difficulty to stay healty long
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I don't think that's a given. Lowry has several warts... keeping him isn't as guaranteed as you suggest. I think trading for him partly was with the idea that if he overperformed, he may be a huge trade piece as well. JV and Ross are the future, any building should be done with their prime years in mind.
That's a bit of a reach...but anything is possible.
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