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View Poll Results: If we could only keep one of them, who should it be?
Jose Calderon 20 27.78%
Kyle Lowry 52 72.22%
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Old 12-27-2012, 07:45 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Sorry MVP.... but letting Lowry go and then PRAYING that we land Wiggins is NOT "vision". It's insanity.

You may as well buy $100 in lotto tickets, quit your job and hope that you win.
Also, How is it insanity?? If we're bad enough then we should have a very good chance at landing either Wiggins or another really good prospect.
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Old 12-27-2012, 08:00 PM   #42 (permalink)
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Ouch. Do you really want to go there?
did you really need to take a pot shot at me?
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Old 12-27-2012, 08:12 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Deal Lowry to get our first-rounder back. Re-sign Jose to bridge the gap until we can draft a stud PG of the future (I hope many of you didn't seriously think that was Lowry - he's injury prone and will be 27 in a few months). Deal Bargs. Roster fixed.
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Old 12-27-2012, 08:16 PM   #44 (permalink)
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2014 Draft class is stacked. Whether or not we should put all our eggs in one basket...I don't know about that.
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Old 12-27-2012, 08:36 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Deal Lowry to get our first-rounder back. Re-sign Jose to bridge the gap until we can draft a stud PG of the future (I hope many of you didn't seriously think that was Lowry - he's injury prone and will be 27 in a few months). Deal Bargs. Roster fixed.
someone already did the math on how many games both players have missed due to injuries.

its a difference of 5 missed games. your point has been negated.

both are not the PG of our long term future. but i'd rather switch things up and give lowry a chance for this and maybe next season.
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Old 12-27-2012, 08:47 PM   #46 (permalink)
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Im not a fan of buying high and selling low. I think it only makes seance to trade Jose now while his value is so high.
I would love to trade Bargs, but i think we are kinda stuck with him. So waiting while he goes in to a hot stretch is best way of doing it. And Lowry, I don't want to trade him, but if we will so be it. The thing is that now is not the time
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Old 12-27-2012, 10:39 PM   #47 (permalink)
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someone already did the math on how many games both players have missed due to injuries.

its a difference of 5 missed games. your point has been negated.

both are not the PG of our long term future. but i'd rather switch things up and give lowry a chance for this and maybe next season.
loving the " - " based on actual #s. thumbs down to factual figures? i don't understand. lol.
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Old 12-27-2012, 11:09 PM   #48 (permalink)
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did you really need to take a pot shot at me?
No, not really, but you do have a talent on getting on my nerves rather easily. Just being honest.
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Old 12-27-2012, 11:40 PM   #49 (permalink)
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Also, How is it insanity?? If we're bad enough then we should have a very good chance at landing either Wiggins or another really good prospect.
Do you realize how many years we've been waiting for that "really good prospect"?

We haven't had one since 2003.

And tanking doesn't guarantee that you're going to get the guy that you want.
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Old 12-27-2012, 11:42 PM   #50 (permalink)
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No, not really, but you do have a talent on getting on my nerves rather easily. Just being honest.
It seems a little dishonest to suggest that anyone that gets on your nerves does so due to a talent that they intentionally employ, unless that is clearly the case.

If I can ask that all of us look to respect the right of each of us to contribute here in talking basketball, that would be swell.
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Old 12-27-2012, 11:47 PM   #51 (permalink)
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BC isn't just going to trade Lowry and keep Jose here, there is other motives to this as well. Maybe we can't get that player at SF without Lowry being in the trade, and maybe they don't want Jose. Personally I would do it, if we get a star at the wing I'd be willing to give up Lowry and keep Jose. This team hasn't had an actual solution at SF in forever, its much easier to find a point guard to run the team than getting a star at the wing IMO.

To the people saying they will stop being a raptor fan... relax. There is multiple motives involved in trades, we aren't trading Lowry for nothing and keeping Jose here for a 50 million dollar contract.

Who would you rather have, Lowry or a star at the wing? The answer is pretty easy for me. Some people here act like Lowry is Rose or Lebron type talent...
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Who acts like Lowry is a top 3 player in the league? C'mon Vito. You're making stuff up there. Everything else you said was a legitimate viewpoint. It's also legitimate to want to see the talent that Lowry does possess to remain in play here. If there is a SF with the ability to impact this roster in a big way, that can be acquired with Lowry as part of a major overhaul, then all things considered it might be an ok move. If the idea is to just stick with Jose and get another piece that will be thought to complete the team to any degree, then it is going to be hard to be anything but very disappointed.
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Who acts like Lowry is a top 3 player in the league? C'mon Vito. You're making stuff up there. Everything else you said was a legitimate viewpoint. It's also legitimate to want to see the talent that Lowry does possess to remain in play here. If there is a SF with the ability to impact this roster in a big way, that can be acquired with Lowry as part of a major overhaul, then all things considered it might be an ok move. If the idea is to just stick with Jose and get another piece that will be thought to complete the team to any degree, then it is going to be hard to be anything but very disappointed.
Yep. I'll be honest.... I can't think of any SF (that's realistically attainable) that really excites me right now.

Chandler... Deng... Iggy.... Granger... I think that getting rid of Lowry for any of those guys would be a lateral move at best.
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Yep. I'll be honest.... I can't think of any SF (that's realistically attainable) that really excites me right now.

Chandler... Deng... Iggy.... Granger... I think that getting rid of Lowry for any of those guys would be a lateral move at best.
Lowry for Iggy, Deng or Granger straight up would be anything but a lateral move. It would significanlty upgrade a very weak position for us. Chandler, year, that would be a downgrade.
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Yep. I'll be honest.... I can't think of any SF (that's realistically attainable) that really excites me right now.

Chandler... Deng... Iggy.... Granger... I think that getting rid of Lowry for any of those guys would be a lateral move at best.
The only one there that i'd think of doing is Deng to be honest and maybe Iggy. But yeah, doubt we'd be much better if at all.

On a side note, with the love fest for Pylon the last two weeks i'm surprised this isn't closer.

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Lowry for Iggy, Deng or Granger straight up would be anything but a lateral move. It would significanlty upgrade a very weak position for us. Chandler, year, that would be a downgrade.
I'd like to see AA start again for a good chunk of games and Fields play some games before I give up on the SF spot entirely.
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I'd like to see AA start again for a good chunk of games and Fields play some games before I give up on the SF spot entirely.
those guys are filler. You still want to upgrade them. They'd look amazing further down the depth charts though!
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those guys are filler. You still want to upgrade them. They'd look amazing further down the depth charts though!
How can you evaluate them though?

Fields has played about 6 or 7 games.... AA has played 12 games.... Lowry's played 14 or 15...

TBH I'd like to see at LEAST 40 games (half a season's worth) from each guy (when they're healthy) before I make a judgement.
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Old 12-28-2012, 02:07 AM   #59 (permalink)
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if they trade lowry and keep jose i'm done as a Raptors fan. this team has absolutely no long term vision.
Agreed. This would really be the tipping point.
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Old 12-28-2012, 03:28 AM   #60 (permalink)
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if we trade lowry, just no.
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