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So, what was this offseason about in the NBA?

The rich getting richer, that's what. The defending champions lost nothing and gained Ron Artest, getting younger, deeper and more talented. The runners-up lost Hedo Turkoglu, but more than made up for it.

All over the league, the elites fortified themselves while their lessers fought for scraps. The Eastern Conference gained more traction in its tug-of-war with the West. The sour economy and the lack of much salary cap room this summer conspired to make movement slow for most, with players like Allen Iverson and David Lee waiting for the dam to burst and someone to come up with some cash. Money has now, unfortunately, created a class system in the NBA. It's clear that those with means can stay strong, while those without have to wait their turn. That cleaves the league nicely into five categories:

The Haves (Spurs, Lakers, Celtics, Magic, Cavaliers, Mavericks, Trail Blazers)

The Middle Class (Raptors, Wizards, Pistons, Hawks, Nuggets, Jazz, Rockets, 76ers)

The Holders (Bulls, Knicks, Heat)

The Folders (Timberwolves, Grizzlies, Bucks, Kings, Bobcats, Nets)

The Dreamers (Clippers, Hornets, Pacers, Warriors, Thunder, Suns)

In grading each team's offseason, the financial divide has to be taken into account. The Lakers simply have more money than a lot of teams, which makes their offseason that much easier. If Miami had offered Lamar Odom the same amount of money that Los Angeles did, he might be on South Beach right now. But Miami couldn't, and Los Angeles knew it, so L.A. could afford to wait for L.O. to come to its number. That's an advantage. But it doesn't mean the teams with less can't be productive, as you'll see below with teams like Indiana.

I grade teams on their entire offseason -- the Draft, free agency, trades, coaching changes, new ownership, new arenas, anything that has impacted or will impact rosters. But it's kind of graded on a curve because of the money disparities. Once again: This is not a predicted order of finish for next season, only one guy's evaluation of what's transpired between the end of each team's season and now.

Here are The Middle Class. For the others, click on the links above.
The middle class

They are the teams whose bottom lines are much more dependent on how far they go in the Playoffs. These teams may not turn a profit, so each round deeper can make the difference between losing a little and losing a lot, and not making the postseason at all can mean financial disaster. So they've been active this summer, making payroll-adding deals in hopes of a playoff run.

TORONTO

DA's Offseason Rank: No. 5

Last season: 33-49, fourth place, Atlantic; Did not make Playoffs.

Added: F Hedo Turkoglu (sign-and-trade, Orlando; five years, $53 million), G Jarrett Jack (free agent, Indiana; four years, $20 million), G/F DeMar DeRozan (first-round pick), G Antoine Wright (trade with Dallas), G Marco Belinelli (trade with Golden State), C Rasho Nesterovic (free agent, Indiana; one year, $1.9 million), F Reggie Evans (trade with Philadelphia),

Lost: G Anthony Parker (signed with Cleveland), G Jason Kapono (traded to Philadelphia), F Devean George (traded to Golden State)

Retained: Removed interim tag from Coach Jay Triano

The key man: F Andrea Bargnani. The first overall pick in a draft, any draft, can't just be a solid player. He has to be a star. Bargnani hasn't done that yet in Toronto, though he's already gotten a big contract extension.

The skinny: With a frenetic offseason, Toronto has positioned itself nicely for what will likely be the post-Chris Bosh era. Jack, DeRozan and Jose Calderon could become a strong three-guard rotation. Turkoglu is a veteran baller with postseason credentials. Wright is an underrated pickup. Bosh will certainly play his heart out, and at worst, Toronto should get some nice goodies in a sign-and-trade deal for Bosh next summer. Could be worse.
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Old 08-07-2009, 03:04 PM   #2 (permalink)
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The Raptors' biggest threat is Miami. Miami wants Bosh and they will have a lot of cap space. Here's to hoping Toronto can perform better than Miami this season and in a dream scenario play them in round one and defeat them.
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Old 08-07-2009, 03:33 PM   #3 (permalink)
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The Raptors' biggest threat is Miami. Miami wants Bosh and they will have a lot of cap space. Here's to hoping Toronto can perform better than Miami this season and in a dream scenario play them in round one and defeat them.
We would sooo win.
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Old 08-07-2009, 04:05 PM   #4 (permalink)
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As stated in the title of the thread, I'm indifferent if Bosh decides to leave at this point. Our bench is so deep now even if we lost Bosh we would still be a competitive team to play against. Not to mention we would have free'd up quite a bit of cash flow to pick up someone else. But at the end of the day what it really comes down to is how well this team can play together. If they can play well together we'll go deep into the playoffs and we'll most likely get to keep Bosh. If not, we would probably lose him but in that situation would we really mind finding another player that would fit better for less? possilby even 2 or 3 other players? Looks like a win, win to me although I'd rather us win this coming season =)
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We can't forget that there's a ton of pressure on Chris to perform this year too. BC's surrounded him with a high quality supporting cast and 2 VERY solid second options on offense. The further Chris takes this team, the better this team ends up in the long run, whether he stays or not.
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Old 08-07-2009, 05:39 PM   #6 (permalink)
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If this team cant win now, it's on Bosh.

Period.
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Old 08-07-2009, 05:48 PM   #7 (permalink)
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If this team cant win now, it's on Bosh.

Period.
+1....hes got a great supporting cast and him being the leader of the team, it definitely gonna be on Bosh if we don't win and goo deep into the playoff....
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If this team cant win now, it's on Bosh.

Period.
+1....hes got a great supporting cast and him being the leader of the team, it definitely gonna be on Bosh if we don't win and goo deep into the playoff....
+1 That's it! If the team can't win, he is no max contract guy and we need a new leader. (period)
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If this team cant win now, it's on Bosh.

Period.
I would say its also on JT
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Old 08-07-2009, 10:24 PM   #10 (permalink)
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yeah, it's JT + Bosh. I think it's more on JT, because Bosh will get his 20/10 anyway, so most people will not blame him. Only us, the hardcore fans know better

as far as the article, I remember when aldridge said that Bosh will leave a few months ago, I guess he's softening his tone just a little bit now ...
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There's no way that the team's fortunes lay on Bosh's shoulders.

The raps need Calderon and Jack to provide a 1-2 punch.
The SGs need to plug up the perimeter and add some offense.
Turkoglu just needs to be himself.
Bosh just needs to be himself.
Bargnani needs to step it up. 18-20ppg, 8rpg.
Finally, the bench needs to keep the team in the game, and at times outplay the opposing team's bench.

IF all of that happens, the raps are potentially conference finalists. They'll give Orlando/Cleveland a run. Not sure they can beat Boston.

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I concur, if the Raptors can't win it just goes to prove that Bosh will never be a leader on his own. We have all the pieces, now they must mend. I hope they do. If Bosh bails after this season through free agency, after a losing season...He may be more hated then Vince himself.

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There's no way that the team's fortunes lay on Bosh's shoulders.
True, but he's the "leader" of this team and our supposed franchise player. And with all the talk of him needing better players around him to succeed and Bryan Colangelo adding Turkoglu/Jack/Belinelli/Wright/Derozan/Evans/Rasho he has that. So alot of it is on him, those players need to step up, but Bosh needs to be the leader and take his game to another level. At 25 he's now got experience, a taste of the playoffs, added depth and he's now begining the prime of his career. Let's see how he handles it, and being in the final year of his contract. So imo alot is on him and alot is on the coaching staff as well. Let's hope it's as fun a season as we expect.
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I think it's a lot like Cleveland. They surrounded players around Lebron to fit his game. Could you guys imagine if the cavs would have failed horribly last season after what management did. You know the blame would have went on Lebron. I think a lot falls on Bosh's shoulders this season. He knows what he has to do and will do it.

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Bosh can't ever impact a game like LeBron or Wade do. He's a PF. He doesn't get as many points, and should not be expected to have the ball in his hands during the final few moments of the game. The only thing Bosh needs to improve on is his defence. And, before anyone goes crazy and starts to expect KG-type defense, remember, there are only a few players in history who brought that level of intensity to the game.

IMO, I'm more interested in seeing how the team gels, how Calderon/Jack do, how Bargnani improves, and how the SG's turn out, rather than expecting Bosh to take his game to the next level.

Finally, I'm hopeful that Triano will be able to at least be relevant come playoff time, have some interesting plays, and not get outcoached like Smitch.

So, for me, this year is not about Bosh.
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Bosh can't ever impact a game like LeBron or Wade do. He's a PF. He doesn't get as many points, and should not be expected to have the ball in his hands during the final few moments of the game. The only thing Bosh needs to improve on is his defence. And, before anyone goes crazy and starts to expect KG-type defense, remember, there are only a few players in history who brought that level of intensity to the game.


IMO, I'm more interested in seeing how the team gels, how Calderon/Jack do, how Bargnani improves, and how the SG's turn out, rather than expecting Bosh to take his game to the next level.

Finally, I'm hopeful that Triano will be able to at least be relevant come playoff time, have some interesting plays, and not get outcoached like Smitch.

So, for me, this year is not about Bosh.

Last season I am pretty sure Bosh was leading the league in scoring for the first couple months and was even in MVP talk. Why shouldn't our best player be expect to have the ball in his hand at the end of games? I mean every other team does it why should we be the exception. We have Turk now, So I am assuming that both will now be called upon that duty. I think you are really underestimating the dude. The Raptors would be a completely different team without Bosh, kind of like how The Cavs would be with Lebron and Miami with Wade.

If this season isn't about Bosh, then tell me why so many moves where made to get players to fit around Bosh?

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Last season I am pretty sure Bosh was leading the league in scoring for the first couple months and was even in MVP talk. Why shouldn't our best player be expect to have the ball in his hand at the end of games? I mean every other team does it why should we be the exception. We have Turk now, So I am assuming that both will now be called upon that duty. I think you are really underestimating the dude. The Raptors would be a completely different team without Bosh, kind of like how The Cavs would be with Lebron and Miami with Wade.

If this season isn't about Bosh, then tell me why so many moves where made to get players to fit around Bosh?

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Bosh has shown that he is not a clutch player. He is obviously very talented, but he does not have the ability to take control of the game like Wade/Kobe/Lebron, although i think that may change this year with the addition of more muscle to his frame and the pressure of playing for a contract. Countless times he has missed clutch shots, turned it over in clutch situations, forced a bad shot, etc. The moves made this offseason were made both to provide Bosh with a supporting cast, and more importantly to create a team that can still be solid if Bosh does peace oin us next year. Even if he leaves, it will most likely be in a sign and trade (more money for Bosh), which would hopefully give us talented players in return. BC is to smart to leave the franchise at risk if Bosh leaves in 2010.
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we know what we're going to get from the likes of Bosh and hedo, it's the other guys that have to prove their worth in order for us to have any success this season. we need Bargs to play better than the second half of last season, we need Calderon healthy, jack to provide stability for the second unit, we need derozan, wright and beli to contribute every night out on the court, and most importantly, we need a defensive commitment from every single player on the court.

talent doesn't mean anything if they're not all working together for the same goal. to hold one person accountable is just stupid. the people who hold individuals accountable for everything must not realize the concept of teams sports - either that, or they're hoping for failure so they can continue to blame...

either way, i'd hate to be on your team or even work beside you.
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The Raptors' biggest threat is Miami. Miami wants Bosh and they will have a lot of cap space. Here's to hoping Toronto can perform better than Miami this season and in a dream scenario play them in round one and defeat them.
i can only think of Wade at this point who can attract Bosh at this point. BC has worked his *** off this off season to make Bosh stay. I mean we signed Hedo, Jack, Derozan, Bellinielli... Bosh won't leave
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Bosh has shown that he is not a clutch player. He is obviously very talented, but he does not have the ability to take control of the game like Wade/Kobe/Lebron, although i think that may change this year with the addition of more muscle to his frame and the pressure of playing for a contract. Countless times he has missed clutch shots, turned it over in clutch situations, forced a bad shot, etc. The moves made this offseason were made both to provide Bosh with a supporting cast, and more importantly to create a team that can still be solid if Bosh does peace oin us next year. Even if he leaves, it will most likely be in a sign and trade (more money for Bosh), which would hopefully give us talented players in return. BC is to smart to leave the franchise at risk if Bosh leaves in 2010.
The franchise isn't anywhere near at risk if he leaves. Jose/Jack/Beli/Bargs/Turkoglu/Evans + whatever we get in a S&T for him or 16Mil to spend in FA if he outright leaves.
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