NBA.com: Raptors not willing to pay big money for Lowry
Old 02-10-2014, 05:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The Raptors knew Lowry was capable of putting up numbers, but they did not expect this from their 27-year-old point guard, even in a contract year: career highs in scoring (16.6 ppg) and assists (7.4 apg), an offensive rating through the roof (the Raps are averaging 120 points per 100 possessions with Lowry this season) and a PER that is 10th among point guards in the league. Lowry could have easily been an All-Star this season for leading the unlikely Raptors to first place in the Atlantic.

Which makes GM Masai Ujiri's job all the tougher. The Raptors do not want to give Lowry a big-money contract this summer along the lines of what other point guards who've signed extensions recently: Denver's Ty Lawson (four years, $48 million), Golden State's Stephen Curry (four years, $44 million) or New Orleans' Jrue Holiday (four years, $41 million from Philadelphia). (It should not need to be said that there's no chance of Lowry getting anything approaching John Wall's max deal in Washington.)

For weeks, Lowry was on the trading block. A deal was in the works with the Knicks for Raymond Felton, Metta World Peace and another young player, until Knicks chairman James Dolan reportedly scotched the trade, unwilling to also add a future first-rounder. But, now, Toronto's in a bit of a bind: The Raptors are playing well, they have a team that fits better since the Rudy Gay trade and Lowry has been sensational. Per Basketball-Reference.com, Lowry's Win Shares -- an estimate of the wins contributed by a single player to his team -- is 7.6, trailing only trailing Kevin Durant (13 wins), LeBron James (9.7), Kevin Love (9.5), Curry and Blake Griffin (8.2 apiece).

Now it appears the Raptors are less likely than more likely to trade Lowry by the deadline. If a team overwhelmed them with an offer, they'd most assuredly listen, but the likelihood is growing that Lowry will finish the season in Toronto. The chance of a division championship is too enticing. That doesn't mean the Raptors are going to pay him in the summer. The fear of investing heavily, only to find that this season is fool's gold, a contract drive by a player with a history of injuries, is likely too great. The best guess is that Lowry plays it out, and, depending on how he and the Raptors do down the stretch, he'll be in the driver's seat in the summer. With so many teams having young point guards, though, how much will he get on the open market? (Agents matter; Lowry has Andy Miller, well-respected around the league by general managers, who has the reputation of making fair deals for his clients.)
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Old 02-10-2014, 05:50 PM   #2 (permalink)
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not a surprise.
but i would consider ourself lucky if we get him for 34M/4yrs
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I think the most he gets offered on the open market is 10mil/yr
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Old 02-10-2014, 06:51 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I stand by my 12 per for 4 years prediction, when you were saying 6-8.
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I stand by my 12 per for 4 years prediction, when you were saying 6-8.
I was saying 6-8? Hmmm, that must have been a while ago. lol


I still say 8-10mil/yr. Not sure how much of a market there is out there to pay him 12mil/yr unless it's a bad team with money to spend.
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Old 02-10-2014, 07:57 PM   #6 (permalink)
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what's wrong with a contract exactly like DeMar's 4/38?
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what's wrong with a contract exactly like DeMar's 4/38?
He should be declining in terms of play as years progress. It may turn out to be a bad contract in latter years.

As much as it would hurt me to lose Lowry, I would let him walk if we have to pay $10m for 3 years or more. I would offer $8m over 4 years.
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Not sure how much of a market there is out there to pay him 12mil/yr unless it's a bad team with money to spend.
Pretty sure that describes us without Lowry! And that team you describe exists every year.
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Pretty sure that describes us without Lowry! And that team you describe exists every year.
I thought the team wouldn't miss a step if we lost Lowry?
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I thought the team wouldn't miss a step if we lost Lowry?
I don't know why i even clicked "view post" to see what crap you wrote. I don't remember one single person saying that here and you quote me like I did. And that's why I said we would give him 12 mil for 4 years? Next time I won't bother.
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I don't know why i even clicked "view post" to see what crap you wrote. I don't remember one single person saying that here and you quote me like I did. And that's why I said we would give him 12 mil for 4 years? Next time I won't bother.
You clicked view post and then responded. lol


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I don't remember one single person saying that here and you quote me like I did.
this was a hot topic back in december, when many argued that if we traded lowry, we wouldn't miss him too much. Not sure who said what and don't care much either, but it was definitely argued.
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You clicked view post and then responded. lol


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I don't remember one single person saying that here and you quote me like I did.
You must have a poor memory then, because quite a few people here said that.
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Kyle Lowry has definitely earned and deserves a raise with a new contract. Whether the Raptors should or shouldn't offer it is another question. If I were Masai Ujiri I'd look to trade him for a decent first round pick and a serviceable Point Guard because I don't trust players when they have a career season in a contract year. If the Raps decide to keep him that's not a bad thing because he's a top 12 PG in the NBA right now and has developed good chemistry with Demar DeRozan in the backcourt. He's also the clear cut leader of the team and he's on record saying "I wanna stay in Toronto". Not many other legitimate PG options in Free Agency or the Draft(where the Raptors are projected to select currently), so ultimately keeping Lowry and attempting to re-sign him is the right decision. In my opinion 4 years/40 million(14/10/8/8) is a fair offer,if he declines then his salary comes off the books and the Raps have more to spend.
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I understand that they're trying to play a bit of the devil's advocate and saying that this is a contract year issue, but the fact of the matter is there isn't going to be a point guard available, in the free agent market or otherwise, that is close to Lowry's talent level in the next couple years. Now add that Lowry is also in his prime the next couple years and I don't see why we wouldn't consider giving him something like 4years/44mil. The prospect of having both DeMar and Kyle together for a combined cap hit of ~20mil (and a starting five costing only ~33mil) is a great core to move forward with. Ideally, if we can clear out a few more of our bad contracts and have some success this year and next, we might be in the running to add an all-star or almost all-star calibre big the offseason after this one.
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Lowry has matured and he is the best player on the Raptors. He is a great leader for this team and is entering his prime. If this team wants to continue the winning culture and become a perennial playoff team, you gotta sign Lowry for the next couple of years.
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He's kind of reminding me of what Chauncey Billups did before he took that next step and became a big-time, player. If you recall, Billups really started to take-off in Minnesota, then signed a sweet deal (for Detroit), and really became more of a leader and just all-round good basketball player.

I kind of see some similarities here. Lowry has really matured from even two years ago and I have trouble having him walk away. He sets the tone on so many levels that having a player just leave like that would do more damage than good. What did Brandon Jennings get? 3/24? Sounds about right for Lowry right now.
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He's kind of reminding me of what Chauncey Billups did before he took that next step and became a big-time, player. If you recall, Billups really started to take-off in Minnesota, then signed a sweet deal (for Detroit), and really became more of a leader and just all-round good basketball player.
Really good comparison.
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4yrs at 40mil is about right for Lowry.
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