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Old 02-11-2014, 01:37 PM   #21 (permalink)
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What did Brandon Jennings get? 3/24? Sounds about right for Lowry right now.
Would be ideal tbh.

Highly doubt he will settle for 8mil per for three years though. Simply not enough money or long term security.
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Would be ideal tbh.

Highly doubt he will settle for 8mil per for three years though. Simply not enough money or long term security.
If he doesn't want it, he's gotta go find it and if he finds it, good for him. Maybe he gets nine somewhere. Maybe you push it to four years, which at 4/36 still sounds ok, but then you look at what a guy like Amir might make next season and you can quickly hamstring yourself with bad contracts.

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Anyways, I know we agree, just writing for the sake of writing.
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If he doesn't want it, he's gotta go find it and if he finds it, good for him. Maybe he gets nine somewhere. Maybe you push it to four years, which at 4/36 still sounds ok, but then you look at what a guy like Amir might make next season and you can quickly hamstring yourself with bad contracts.

Ugh.

Anyways, I know we agree, just writing for the sake of writing.
Anything 4/40 or below is very manageable in terms of the next couple years cap-wise (after that we'll be well over the cap with raises for Ross and JV anyway). It's if it starts creeping up to 11 or 12 a year that it becomes a real problem, especially if he demands a 5 year contract.
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If he doesn't want it, he's gotta go find it and if he finds it, good for him. Maybe he gets nine somewhere. Maybe you push it to four years, which at 4/36 still sounds ok, but then you look at what a guy like Amir might make next season and you can quickly hamstring yourself with bad contracts.

Ugh.

Anyways, I know we agree, just writing for the sake of writing.
Amir? He's a MLE player at this point...
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I would not sign Lowry for 5 years.
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Ideally, signing Lowry for 3 years 24-30 million should be the goal. With his injury past, I'd be very hesitant to give him the 4th year unless its a team option.
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Amir? He's a MLE player at this point...
As of his past, say 10 games. Maybe.

Over the course of the past few seasons, what he means to this team and from a marketing/community relations standpoint, he can ask for significantly more from this team. I mean, you could make a strong argument that Amir and Lowry define this team and provide this team with its first identity in a long, long, time. That's huge and from a player/agent perspective worth money.
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As of his past, say 10 games. Maybe.

Over the course of the past few seasons, what he means to this team and from a marketing/community relations standpoint, he can ask for significantly more from this team. I mean, you could make a strong argument that Amir and Lowry define this team and provide this team with its first identity in a long, long, time. That's huge and from a player/agent perspective worth money.

more like couple months. i certainly wouldn't pay him more then what he's curently getting. And his constant ankle issues don't help him imo.
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more like couple months. i certainly wouldn't pay him more then what he's curently getting. And his constant ankle issues don't help him imo.
Wow, you're really down on him now, huh? Typical Raptor fan

You're telling me you wouldn't pay 5.5 for him? When he's healthy, he gives you tremendous post d, energy, rebounding, range, all the while being the quintessential role player. I mean, I agree, he isn't a starter because he can't sustain that type of energy of the course of 38 mins. a game over 82, but say 24-28 mins/game definitely. And paying a sixth man in the 6-6.25 range (current MLE is 5 and change I believe) who is a pure team player is silly.
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Wow, you're really down on him now, huh? Typical Raptor fan

You're telling me you wouldn't pay 5.5 for him? When he's healthy, he gives you tremendous post d, energy, rebounding, range, all the while being the quintessential role player. I mean, I agree, he isn't a starter because he can't sustain that type of energy of the course of 38 mins. a game over 82, but say 24-28 mins/game definitely. And paying a sixth man in the 6-6.25 range (current MLE is 5 and change I believe) who is a pure team player is silly.
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Amir? He's a MLE player at this point...
MLE is currently 5.6Mil i believe.....or close to that at least. I believe it was 5.8mil before the new CBA and it went down slightly. I like Amir, but imo as you stated he's not a starter. If he's playing 35mpg he breaks down. His rebounding is average. I love his energy, defense but he is worth the MLE and should be coming off the bench if your team wants to go deep into the playoffs imo. Just a gut feeling, but i can see Amir being gone by this time next season.
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I just hate the uncertainty of him gong to free agency. If you can get Lowry for 3 years under 30 million you do it and be happy about it - take the time and find that young dynamic PG prospect and bring him along to eventually take over - succession planning. But what is the back up plan? Can we go into next season with Greives as the starter (I know he's an RFA)? I doubt we'll see a PG that could take over right away on the draft board when the Raps number comes up. I know they have Ujiri in place to make these decisions and he gets paid a lot of money to do so, but I would hate for the team to have to take a step backward after all the positives we've seen this season.

I just don't want to be "tanking for Okafor" at this time next year.
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Wow, you're really down on him now, huh? Typical Raptor fan

You're telling me you wouldn't pay 5.5 for him? When he's healthy, he gives you tremendous post d, energy, rebounding, range, all the while being the quintessential role player. I mean, I agree, he isn't a starter because he can't sustain that type of energy of the course of 38 mins. a game over 82, but say 24-28 mins/game definitely. And paying a sixth man in the 6-6.25 range (current MLE is 5 and change I believe) who is a pure team player is silly.
MLE is 4 years starting at 5.3M works out to 5.7M per year. MLE starting in the summer when Amir might re-sign averages to about 5.8M per year, not far off the 6M you propose.

I agree he is easily worth the MLE. Although his injuries and decreased effectiveness of late might keep his price down below the 9M per year I predicted for him.
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MLE is 4 years starting at 5.3M works out to 5.7M per year. MLE starting in the summer when Amir might re-sign averages to about 5.8M per year, not far off the 6M you propose.

I agree he is easily worth the MLE. Although his injuries and decreased effectiveness of late might keep his price down below the 9M per year I predicted for him.
9Mil???
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9Mil???
You seen big man prices lately?
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You seen big man prices lately?
If i'm a GM i'm not paying Amir Johnson 9mil/yr

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If i'm a GM i'm paying Amir Johnson 9mil/yr
If you're a GM you're probably not paying Tyreke Evans 12M a year, or JJ or Stoudemire 20M per year, or Boozer the max, or Ben Gordon 13M.

Luckily for Amir, and for the free agent market in general, actual GM's do those things. Okafor is pretty useless and he makes 14M. Nene makes 13M. Ibaka 12M, West 12M, Humphries 12M, Noah 11M, Jordan 11M, McGee 11M, Splitter 10M, Millsap 10M, Varejao 9M, Biedrins 9M, Perkins 9M, Asik 8M, Anderson 8M, Ilyasova 8M, Gortat 8M. Why does 9M for Amir seem so crazy?
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If you're a GM you're probably not paying Tyreke Evans 12M a year, or JJ or Stoudemire 20M per year, or Boozer the max, or Ben Gordon 13M.

Luckily for Amir, and for the free agent market in general, actual GM's do those things. Okafor is pretty useless and he makes 14M. Nene makes 13M. Ibaka 12M, West 12M, Humphries 12M, Noah 11M, Jordan 11M, McGee 11M, Splitter 10M, Millsap 10M, Varejao 9M, Biedrins 9M, Perkins 9M, Asik 8M, Anderson 8M, Ilyasova 8M, Gortat 8M. Why does 9M for Amir seem so crazy?

Because I don't think he's worth 9mil, it's an opinion. Most of those deals are bloated based on good stats in contract years. Good thing for Amir this isn't a contract year. Can he get 9mil/yr....sure there are dumb GM's out there but it won't happen if he continues playing like this. And he's been pretty inconsistent all season, not just since being injured. And Millsap making 10mil really tells me no way Amir gets anywhere near that.

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Because I don't think he's worth 9mil, it's an opinion. Most of those deals are bloated based on good stats in contract years. Good thing for Amir this isn't a contract year. Can he get 9mil/yr....sure there are dumb GM's out there but it won't happen if he continues playing like this. And he's been pretty inconsistent all season, not just since being injured. And Millsap making 10mil really tells me no way Amir gets anywhere near that.
Did Millsap making 10M tell you that McGee would get no where near that? There are loads of external factors in terms of market, team needs, cap room that determine how overpaid a player is. If Amir remains the starter for most of this year and next on a playoff team, he'll get 9M or close to it. Certainly well over MLE. If he remains injured and struggles too much to remain the starter, he won't.
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Did Millsap making 10M tell you that McGee would get no where near that? There are loads of external factors in terms of market, team needs, cap room that determine how overpaid a player is. If Amir remains the starter for most of this year and next on a playoff team, he'll get 9M or close to it. Certainly well over MLE. If he remains injured and struggles too much to remain the starter, he won't.
He won't get 9mil/yr imo. I definitely don't see Ujiri giving him that kind of money.
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I just don't want to be "tanking for Okafor" at this time next year.
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