NBA.com: Raptors missing the point in chase for the playoffs
Old 03-31-2010, 01:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Other teams, and particularly other good teams, can flip the keys nightly to the likes of Jason Kidd, Steve Nash, Chauncey Billups, Deron Williams, Rajon Rondo, Tony Parker, Chris Paul, Jameer Nelson, Russell Westbrook, Brandon Jennings and Derrick Rose. Most of the clubs headed for the playoffs are closely identified with their point guards, to the point of being almost brand names. It's like going down the roster of NASCAR drivers, except that the NBA's finely-tuned machines are even more fragile and tougher to steer.

Yet the Raptors have been piecing together their 36-37 season by splitting time between Jose Calderon and Jarrett Jack. It has been expedient, given the differences in the two players' styles and each one's inability so far to grab the position as his own. It has been necessary at times, too, given the fact Calderon has missed 14 games with injuries and the adjustments asked of the other Raptors when switching back and forth.

It also has been less than satisfying, a purported "tastes great vs. less filling" debate in which there really ought to be just one right answer.

"Initially, with Jose getting hurt," Toronto coach Jay Triano said last week, "it was nice that Jarrett was able to step in and become a big part of our success in the middle part of the season. Then Jose came back and adapted well to the backup role. I think we've got two guys and part of the dilemma has been trying to split the minutes and still give them enough of a feel. I go with whoever happens to be playing best that night. And hopefully that saves their legs for late in the season and they both have lots of energy."

That part about saving legs won't matter much if the Raptors' season ends two weeks from now, or even a few games beyond that. Not even the Toronto fans most difficult to please would argue that point guard has been their team's gravest concern. Hedo Turkoglu's underachievements top that list, followed in some order by Andrea Bargnani's limited progress, too many deplorable defensive outings, a lack of both toughness and leadership and the anxiety about Chris Bosh's looming free agency.

But getting more out of the point guard spot, with most of it coming from one playmaker, surely would boost the Raptors' play and spirits. Presumably, it would bring leadership from a position where that trait can best be flexed. And it surely would make life simpler for the fantasy leaguers, who have had to monitor the Caldeorn/Jack situation all season as if waiting for white smoke above the Vatican.

"It's gone pretty good regardless of who's been starting and who's been coming off the bench," Jack said last week. "I think we've both contributed really well. At times, they put us in there together, which allows us to really force the tempo ... Just knowing that regardless of how many minutes he's going to be in there, just cheer each other on. Be happy. That's pretty much the gist of it. There are some games that are not going to be your game, you know what I'm saying?"

Triano has divvied the playing time pretty evenly and gotten similar results: Calderon, 28, has averaged 10.6 points, 5. 8 assists and 27.1 minutes to Jack's 11.1, 4.9 and 27.8. In terms of stats, Calderon has led Toronto in assists 37 times (to Jack's 30) and has had three games with 10 assists or more (to Jack's two). But Jack has led the Raptors in scoring five times and in rebounding twice (to Calderon's two and zero). More important, the Raptors are 25-21 with Jack in the starting lineup this season compared to 11-16 with Calderon.

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But Jack has led the Raptors in scoring five times and in rebounding twice (to Calderon's two and zero).
More important, the Raptors are 25-21 with Jack in the starting lineup this season compared to 11-16 with Calderon.
Our record with Jack is better, and not only that our record with Calderon as our starter, the last 3 seasons is 85-106
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a coach would have settled on a starting PG right now
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Old 03-31-2010, 01:51 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I think i still prefer the spark Jose can give us off the bench. Especially now that we have Weems and Wright starting, Jack should get the chance to go back into the starting PG position. He was removed from there when we weren't winning and Jarrett was hardly the reason for that. A lack of defensive wing play with both Turk and Demar in the lineup made it too easy for other team offences to jump all over us.

We are tougher and more active defensively with Wright and Weems as well as quicker and more athletic than pairing Turk with Bosh and Bargs. Teams now have to respect our fast break and can't just sit on our defensive boards and offensive rebound into oblivion. They have to get back and defend us.
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I still fail to understand what Jose has done to earn his starting spot back.

Either way Hedo and Jose in the starting lineup is redundant, so I can't say I mind Jose starting so long as Hedo stays coming off the bench.
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he's paid more? I guess thats why he starts
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as long as jose and hedo are on at different times as much as possible, i'm fine.
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as long as jose and hedo are on different teams as much as possible, i'm fine.
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he's paid more? I guess thats why he starts
i think he's being dealt in the offseason, BC has to convince potential trading partners that he is still a legit starter in the NBA (which he obviously is, just not on a non-defense oriented team)
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as long as jose and hedo are on at different times as much as possible, i'm fine.
I agree. Even before Jose was inserted back, I was suggesting that we need a change in the lineup, but just putting Jose in there wont change anything. Now we have eventually ended up with the starting lineup I wanted back then (Jose-Weems-Wright-Bosh-AB). I think its our best option as Weems and Wright bring more defense in to the lineup and we can have Jose in there to control the offense. Also Turk can bring some offense of the bench while our other bench guys are more defense oriented like Amir and Reggie.

Jose and Turk in the same lineup doesnt work so if we would change Jack back as a starter we would need to insert Turk too and I just dont think thats the way to go right now. Weems, Wright, and DD have all played better with these new roles.
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You can't draw patterns off of a 4 game differential. Thats just not a valid argument.

It's irrelevant.

Toronto isn't going to make the post season.

It's over.
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Jose/Weems/Wright seems to be going OK.

Jose/Demar/Turkoglu was terrible.
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You can't draw patterns off of a 4 game differential. Thats just not a valid argument.

It's irrelevant.

Toronto isn't going to make the post season.

It's over.
We will make the playoffs.
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i think he's being dealt in the offseason, BC has to convince potential trading partners that he is still a legit starter in the NBA (which he obviously is, just not on a non-defense oriented team)
yep, i was listening to the game last night to the Clippers commentators and they were given Calderon a lot of props
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What was the record during Jose's absence?
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Jose better be gone by this summer
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I still fail to understand what Jose has done to earn his starting spot back.

Either way Hedo and Jose in the starting lineup is redundant, so I can't say I mind Jose starting so long as Hedo stays coming off the bench.
Agreed!
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You can't draw patterns off of a 4 game differential. Thats just not a valid argument.

It's irrelevant.

Toronto isn't going to make the post season.

It's over.
The bolded part is so far fetched, that Im not sure there is point in responding, but I go ahead anyway.

Of course four games is a short perioid to make judgements by, but the fact is that we played poorly since the allstar break with the DD and Hedo in starting lineup. Now we have had four pretty good or at worst decent games in row with Weems and Wright starting. So it seems like a step in right direction.
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I think the present starting lineup and second unit is good with the mix of good defense and good offense players on each unit. I also think having Weems and Wright starting helps Bargs remember to focus on defense and partially masks Jose's lack of defense.
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I think the present starting lineup and second unit is good with the mix of good defense and good offense players on each unit. I also think having Weems and Wright starting helps Bargs remember to focus on defense and partially masks Jose's lack of defense.
But it doesn't remind Bosh to play defence....
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