National Post: It’s déjà vu for the Raptors
Old 01-15-2009, 08:02 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Forderon all over again for the Raps, but I will most certainly agree that JO must go.

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So something else has to happen. Something big. And, it should be said, something increasingly obvious.

For the record, it's possible Andrea Bargnani remains a bust. After his first season he looked like a star in the making, and then he drove more or less straight off a cliff. The big Italian has teased us before, and it's possible that his recent run - a career-high, hesitation-free 31 points and 10 rebounds last night, which makes nine genuine NBA performances as a starting centre since starter Jermaine O'Neal hurt his knee- is just the prettiest fool's gold he has offered so far.

But it looks genuine, and sustainable. And even if it's not, O'Neal still has to go.
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Old 01-15-2009, 08:50 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Yup Bye O'neal it was decent while it lasted
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Old 01-15-2009, 09:23 AM   #3 (permalink)
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JO must go but not now. We are just about to lose this year anyway. Why rush? We can get an all star with a good knee next year.
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Old 01-15-2009, 09:26 AM   #4 (permalink)
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hopefully BC isn't still delusional thinking the raps are a contending team this year
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Old 01-15-2009, 09:28 AM   #5 (permalink)
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JO must go but not now. We are just about to lose this year anyway. Why rush? We can get an all star with a good knee next year.
What do you mean by we're about to "lose this year" exactly? We're just about at the half way point of the season and the schedule during the second half is most certainly in our favour. I think there's still something to save this season. Or maybe I'm in the minority and delusional.

If we're going to tank, then why should we bother even caring now? Shit, if everyone's going to have that mentally then I may as well pack up shop and focus on RF for the 2009-10 seeing how we're about to "lose" this season.
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:25 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Why sell ourselves short? Why deal O'Neal now? We'd get more for him in June/this summer than right now.
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:29 AM   #7 (permalink)
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bruce arthur is an idiot.jo has been a massive supporter of Bargs and to imply that its "forderon" is tabloid journalism.jo doesnt strike me as the selfish me-j type.
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:30 AM   #8 (permalink)
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jo doesnt strike me as the selfish me-j type.
I guess we'll see soon enough.
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:34 AM   #9 (permalink)
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What do you mean by we're about to "lose this year" exactly? We're just about at the half way point of the season and the schedule during the second half is most certainly in our favour. I think there's still something to save this season. Or maybe I'm in the minority and delusional.

If we're going to tank, then why should we bother even caring now? Shit, if everyone's going to have that mentally then I may as well pack up shop and focus on RF for the 2009-10 seeing how we're about to "lose" this season.
I's about getting and doing the the best you can. It takes time to recover a big mistake. I was in favour of Marion for JO trade earlier but it is already late for that. You just know the timing is not right anymore. We will continue to fight to make the playoffs and also develop our youngsters. That's something else.
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Old 01-15-2009, 10:38 AM   #10 (permalink)
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I's about getting and doing the the best you can. It takes time to recover a big mistake. I was in favour of Marion for JO trade earlier but it is already late for that. You just know the timing is not right anymore. We will continue to fight to make the playoffs and also develop our youngsters. That's something else.
Late? We're only 3 games out for the last playoff spot and if we can build some momentum; hope for continued growth from Bargnani; get a healthy Jose back we might surprise a few teams.

It's waaaay too late the throw in the towel now. Still plenty of basketball to be played.
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Old 01-16-2009, 09:55 AM   #11 (permalink)
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I would like to think that JO is different from Jalen Rose and T.J. Ford, and that he will take whatever role he is given without complaining. I doubt it though. Maybe he will the first few games, but after that I see him complaining and raising a stink if he has to come off the bench just like those aforementioned players.

Remember Jalen in 05-06? He was relegated to the bench, and complained about it almost every single day to the reporters. And then when they traded him shortly afterwards everyone talked about how Jalen was a great guy who never complained. LOL. I guess some people have memories that don't last more than one week.
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Old 01-16-2009, 10:16 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Late? We're only 3 games out for the last playoff spot and if we can build some momentum; hope for continued growth from Bargnani; get a healthy Jose back we might surprise a few teams.

It's waaaay too late the throw in the towel now. Still plenty of basketball to be played.
Doc, I love you enthusiasm. But, let's put things into perspective. Trading JO is not going to bring the raps a championship this year. I'm not happy with just making the playoffs... or getting to the second round.

I'm with Mango on this one. If you believe the sports writers, BC is the one that is actively trying to make a trade... so, he's in a position of weakness and he's not going to make the best trade possible. If he needs to wait til the trade deadline of 2009-2010 (or at draft day!), then so be it.
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Old 01-16-2009, 11:07 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I'm not happy with just making the playoffs... or getting to the second round.
Well your going to have to deal with it beucase the second round is the best will can do this year..... maby even pushging it. First round is not out of reach, and i dont know about you but even if we loose i love playoff games, its better then watching other teams loose in the playoffs.
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Old 01-16-2009, 11:24 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Sorry, I would rather miss the playoffs and have a chance of getting a better lottery selection, than making the playoffs and getting smoked in 4-5 games in the first round.
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Sorry, I would rather miss the playoffs and have a chance of getting a better lottery selection, than making the playoffs and getting smoked in 4-5 games in the first round.
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Old 01-16-2009, 12:11 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I think the best situation for the Raptors would be a high lottery pick, although i can't deny if Josh Howard for JO is possible at all...im for it. We need to address our wing position problems while keeping Bosh happy, you can't tank this year and keep the man at ease. BC is a good GM thats why he's talking JO with everyone, he wants to find the best deal but he isn't going to pull the trigger on a meddling move...(NO NOCIONI)
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Old 01-16-2009, 12:32 PM   #17 (permalink)
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So missing the playoffs and hoping for a good pick is a much better than having the guys experience playing in the playoffs?

I think no matter whether they lose in the 1st round or the 2nd round or whatever, the experience of playing a playoff series is much more beneficial to the younger players than tanking halfway through the season. You never know what will happen in the playoffs.
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