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Old 01-15-2010, 10:40 AM   #1 (permalink)
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MARCUS BANKS - B-
ANDREA Bargnani - B
MARCO BELINELLI - C
CHRIS Bosh - A
JOSE Calderon - C
DEMAR DEROZAN - B-
REGGIE EVANS - Inc
JARRETT JACK - B
AMIR JOHNSON - B
RASHO NESTEROVIC - C
PATRICK O'BRYANT - Inc
HEDO TURKOGLU - D
SONNY WEEMS - B
ANTOINE WRIGHT - D
JAY TRIANO - C+
Turkoglu holds key to own success
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Old 01-15-2010, 10:43 AM   #2 (permalink)
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wow jay get c+ wtf? more like a F+ for those fucked up combos. Hedo is more like a C- if u ask me and same with wright
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Old 01-15-2010, 10:47 AM   #3 (permalink)
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wow jay get c+ wtf? more like a F+ for those fucked up combos. Hedo is more like a C- if u ask me and same with wright
Hedo gets a D and Triano gets a C+? lol
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Triano's a game under .500.

Hedo's making $10M/yr and is sucking hard.

Pretty simple really.
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Old 01-15-2010, 11:04 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I think these are fair rankings. Banks should be a B though I think.

Turk/Wright definitely 2 veteran players that are not doing their job right now.
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Old 01-15-2010, 11:09 AM   #6 (permalink)
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wow jay get c+ wtf? more like a F+ for those fucked up combos. Hedo is more like a C- if u ask me
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Old 01-15-2010, 11:11 AM   #7 (permalink)
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The team has a record below .500. Why so many Bs?

My grades:

MARCUS BANKS - C+
ANDREA Bargnani - C+
MARCO BELINELLI - C
CHRIS Bosh - A-
JOSE Calderon - C-
DEMAR DEROZAN - C
REGGIE EVANS - Inc
JARRETT JACK - B
AMIR JOHNSON - B-
RASHO NESTEROVIC - C
PATRICK O'BRYANT - Inc
HEDO TURKOGLU - C-
SONNY WEEMS - B
ANTOINE WRIGHT - C-
JAY TRIANO - C-
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Old 01-15-2010, 11:12 AM   #8 (permalink)
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wow jay get c+ wtf? more like a F+ for those fucked up combos. Hedo is more like a C- if u ask me and same with wright
A coach who was 20 games under .500 last year... comes into this year and brings us to .500.

How is that a "Fail"

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My grades:

MARCUS BANKS - B
ANDREA Bargnani - B+
MARCO BELINELLI - C
CHRIS Bosh - A-
JOSE Calderon - C+
DEMAR DEROZAN - B-
REGGIE EVANS - Inc
JARRETT JACK - B
AMIR JOHNSON - B-
RASHO NESTEROVIC - C
PATRICK O'BRYANT - Inc
HEDO TURKOGLU - C
SONNY WEEMS - B
ANTOINE WRIGHT - C
JAY TRIANO - C
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Hedo gets a big fat F for being a big fat f...
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:19 PM   #11 (permalink)
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im going to go to bat for Hedo in this one... how does he get a D?
his stats alone are pretty imppressive 13/5/5... and while i know stats dont mean squat in most cases, he's been a key factor in a bunch of games this season.

i like to usually defend the scapegoat on occasion, and this is one of those times. i definitely think he's getting a ton of undeserved blame for this season and the teams underachieving, and its not fair.
He's in a slump right now and that makes it even worse, but that still doesnt warrant the pounding he's been taking in the media recently.
i love bargs, always will... but earlier in the year he went through a similar slump (and came out), and no one really batted an eye... he got off the hook a lot because "he's young", "he's learning", blah, blah... yet when Hedo slumps, people only look at his paycheque and the length... they dont care to offer any sympathy or excuses... they just grill him right away.

i say we give him the benefit of the doubt for now and lay off for a bit... the D grade is pretty harsh IMO, because i dont think anyone putting up 13/5/5 is close to failing, but thats just me.
bargs is putting up 16/6 and everyone is raving about him... its confusing.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:23 PM   #12 (permalink)
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im going to go to bat for Hedo in this one... how does he get a D?
his stats alone are pretty imppressive 13/5/5... and while i know stats dont mean squat in most cases, he's been a key factor in a bunch of games this season.

i like to usually defend the scapegoat on occasion, and this is one of those times. i definitely think he's getting a ton of undeserved blame for this season and the teams underachieving, and its not fair.
He's in a slump right now and that makes it even worse, but that still doesnt warrant the pounding he's been taking in the media recently.
i love bargs, always will... but earlier in the year he went through a similar slump (and came out), and no one really batted an eye... he got off the hook a lot because "he's young", "he's learning", blah, blah... yet when Hedo slumps, people only look at his paycheque and the length... they dont care to offer any sympathy or excuses... they just grill him right away.

i say we give him the benefit of the doubt for now and lay off for a bit... the D grade is pretty harsh IMO, because i dont think anyone putting up 13/5/5 is close to failing, but thats just me.
bargs is putting up 16/6 and everyone is raving about him... its confusing.
agreed. I know he's had a crappy few games recently, but he's also had some fantastic performances and been a big player in many games. you don't average those numbers playing like chop liver all year long.
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Old 01-15-2010, 12:25 PM   #13 (permalink)
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i say we give him the benefit of the doubt for now and lay off for a bit... the D grade is pretty harsh IMO, because i dont think anyone putting up 13/5/5 is close to failing, but thats just me.
bargs is putting up 16/6 and everyone is raving about him... its confusing.
Well Bargs is averaging 17/6.5 + 1.4bpg and he's improving as the season goes on while Turkoglu seems to not be improving at all.

That being said, the stats are somewhat close, but Bargnani makes less money then Hedo, his PPG/RPG numbers are better and imo has impacted more games then Turk for sure. I do agree with you though that Hedo deserves better then a D.

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Old 01-15-2010, 12:27 PM   #14 (permalink)
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When you show instances of not caring on the defensive end whatsoever, looking at teammates and relying on help defence solely you deserve a D.

There are others that deserve the same mark.
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Triano's a game under .500.

Hedo's making $10M/yr and is sucking hard.

Pretty simple really.
making it that simple is ridicolous..
raptors should have been over .500 so far..his strange rotations (especially lately), his commanding, his three ball-handler love make Raptors a game under 0.500..
hedo is not doing well..i agree he is a C- and half of this grade directly belongs to triano..C+ is much for him..

MARCUS BANKS - C
ANDREA Bargnani - B
MARCO BELINELLI - C-
CHRIS Bosh - A-
JOSE Calderon - C-
DEMAR DEROZAN - C
JARRETT JACK - B-
AMIR JOHNSON - B-
RASHO NESTEROVIC - C
HEDO TURKOGLU - C-
SONNY WEEMS - B-
ANTOINE WRIGHT - D
JAY TRIANO - D-

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A coach who was 20 games under .500 last year... comes into this year and brings us to .500.

How is that a "Fail"

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this is not the same team..
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this is not the same team..
exactly. pretty much had to start from scratch.

i commend JT for the job he has done.
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:32 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Hedo with a "D". Sounds right. All the Hedo backers saying he's playing good, start watching the games more closely. High expectations, low output. By far, the biggest disappointment this season.

I was one of the biggest Bargnani naysayers. But that dude has been showing he can defend the Center Position. If his shot isn't falling, he starting to understand that he can contribute in other ways by rebounding and playing defense.

Bosh with an A. He has bringing his A game for his whole career. The Raptor brass has always been trying to find another "A" type player to complement Bosh. From the failed experiments with JO and Hedo, and the drafting of Hoffa, but hopefully Bargnani can keep up the good work and Derozan can continue to develop.
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Hedo with a "D". Sounds right. All the Hedo backers saying he's playing good, start watching the games more closely. High expectations, low output. By far, the biggest disappointment this season.

i dont see it....
he's getting a bad grade because there were high expectations... yet his output is low?

last year 17/5/5
this year 13/5/5 - playing 3 minutes less a game, taking 3 less shots per game

im not a mathmatician, but given the fewer game time and less shots, i'm pretty sure he's putting up identical stats as last yer, per minutes played.

so how exactly is it that he's not living up to expectations, and putting up lower numbers?

this is what irks me, what exactly was everyone expecting from Hedo?
how can you give a D grade to someoone who is playing at the exact same level (stats wise) as he was the previous year?
he is the exact same player, the only difference is - he's on a far worse team.
the holes that we are seeing in his game were always there... they are just magnified this season because the team he plays on is weaker than his previous team.

his limitations on the ball court havent differed from last season. the positives that his teamates provided him with last year are what changed.
same player.... different team.
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Bargnani is an A in my books.
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