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Old 01-15-2010, 02:00 PM   #21 (permalink)
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The team has a record below .500. Why so many Bs?

My grades:

MARCUS BANKS - C+
ANDREA Bargnani - C+
MARCO BELINELLI - C
CHRIS Bosh - A-
JOSE Calderon - C-
DEMAR DEROZAN - C
REGGIE EVANS - Inc
JARRETT JACK - B
AMIR JOHNSON - B-
RASHO NESTEROVIC - C
PATRICK O'BRYANT - Inc
HEDO TURKOGLU - C-
SONNY WEEMS - B
ANTOINE WRIGHT - C-
JAY TRIANO - C-
No way you can rank Bargnani below a B. He has done a better job then Jack, Amir and Weems.
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Old 01-15-2010, 02:05 PM   #22 (permalink)
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D for complaining to the media. D for being out of shape. D for laughing after blowout losses. D for only being effective with the ball in his hands.

If only Turkoglu's D was for defence.

And how can anyone give Bosh an A-? He's in the race for MVP on NBA.com. If you are potentially the most fucking valuable player in the NBA or atleast in that conversation.... you deserve ATLEAST an A... sheesh.
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Bosh deserves an A+
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D for complaining to the media. D for being out of shape. D for laughing after blowout losses. D for only being effective with the ball in his hands.

If only Turkoglu's D was for defence.

And how can anyone give Bosh an A-? He's in the race for MVP on NBA.com. If you are potentially the most fucking valuable player in the NBA or atleast in that conversation.... you deserve ATLEAST an A... sheesh.
team is under 0.500 i cant see anyone deserves an A+..
this grades include every game up to the present..

and Bosh for mvp ??..please dont make me laugh..there is no possibility unless Raptors achieves a solid success..look at the history..with an 0.500 record you cant be an MVP..

he is the best player so far in Raptors but;
he takes so many jumpshots sometimes..(first 10 games)
he lacks the ability of passing teammates when the opponents doubleteam him..(entire season)
he turns the ball over a lot..(lately)
his help defense is still a weakness..
he is not a leader type of player that carry his team on his shoulders..(skills,chemistry,etc.)

those are the answers how i could give Bosh an A-..
being the best player on a team doesnt mean an automatic A+..A- is a really good grade..

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Old 01-15-2010, 02:56 PM   #25 (permalink)
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i dont see it....
he's getting a bad grade because there were high expectations... yet his output is low?

last year 17/5/5
this year 13/5/5 - playing 3 minutes less a game, taking 3 less shots per game

im not a mathmatician, but given the fewer game time and less shots, i'm pretty sure he's putting up identical stats as last yer, per minutes played.

so how exactly is it that he's not living up to expectations, and putting up lower numbers?

this is what irks me, what exactly was everyone expecting from Hedo?
how can you give a D grade to someoone who is playing at the exact same level (stats wise) as he was the previous year?
he is the exact same player, the only difference is - he's on a far worse team.
the holes that we are seeing in his game were always there... they are just magnified this season because the team he plays on is weaker than his previous team.

his limitations on the ball court havent differed from last season. the positives that his teamates provided him with last year are what changed.
same player.... different team.
He claimed that his goal was to make the all-star team. In Orlando, he played at near all-star level. Heck, he won the most improved player for one year. His stats have declined slightly, but just from his play on court this season, can you seriously say that he has played at near all-star level. That's a big no. He has been the one of the most inconsistent players for the Raptors, and doesn't bring the energy or intensity every night. That's the biggest disappointment considering he is the second highest paid player in the roster.
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Yeah, I think Bosh deserves an A+, Barg a B+ and Hedo is more like a C- or C. For Triano, I'd say he's deserving of a C. We need to understand that his roster is not one of the easier ones to handle in the NBA, given the lack of any clear defensive stoppers and amount of newcomers. I'd like to look at these ratings at the end of the season and see who improves and who regresses.
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Old 01-15-2010, 03:13 PM   #27 (permalink)
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He claimed that his goal was to make the all-star team. In Orlando, he played at near all-star level. Heck, he won the most improved player for one year. His stats have declined slightly, but just from his play on court this season, can you seriously say that he has played at near all-star level. That's a big no. He has been the one of the most inconsistent players for the Raptors, and doesn't bring the energy or intensity every night. That's the biggest disappointment considering he is the second highest paid player in the roster.
while i agree he isnt worth the fat contract he signed in the offseason, i cant fault him for being somewhat inefficient this season.
the reason why he looked so good last year was because he played on a winning team. Orlando won the East and had an outstanding record.
Hedo reaped the benefits of playing with such a strong team.

out of all the players on this squad, its a shame that the team's overall record plays the biggest factor in what Hedo's grade is.
but its understndable, seeing as how he's the big offseason acquisition.

but i guarentee you, if hedo was playing the way he has all year, and we were 30-10 right now, he'd have an A beside his name.
regardless of how he plays, i believe Hedo's worth is directly connected to the raps winning %. and that is unfair.
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team is under 0.500 i cant see anyone deserves an A+..
this grades include every game up to the present..

and Bosh for mvp ??..please dont make me laugh..there is no possibility unless Raptors achieves a solid success..look at the history..with an 0.500 record you cant be an MVP..

he is the best player so far in Raptors but;
he takes so many jumpshots sometimes..(first 10 games)
he lacks the ability of passing teammates when the opponents doubleteam him..(entire season)
he turns the ball over a lot..(lately)
his help defense is still a weakness..
he is not a leader type of player that carry his team on his shoulders..(skills,chemistry,etc.)

those are the answers how i could give Bosh an A-..
being the best player on a team doesnt mean an automatic A+..A- is a really good grade..
Wha???

1) Bosh is shooting over 50% from the field. That's OUTSTANDING for a big man with his type of game. Have you seen Dirk's in comparison?

2) Passing out of doubleteams... he found Bargs for that huge 3 didn't he? Still a work in progress but not nearly as bad as you make it out to be.

3) Turns the ball over a lot? LMAO... look at the number of TO's he avgs on the season. Don't judge his overall performance based on TWO games. Jeez....

4) Help defense still a weakness? Really? Because when the TEAM is playing good defense he looks fantastic down there. There are times when he'll have to back off to avoid trouble though.. because we need him on the other end.

5) Not the type of leader that will carry this team to a title.... yeah.... neither are D12, Kobe, Wade, or ANY other star outside of probably Dirk, Lebron or A.I. (guys who took their teams to the finals without another dominant all-star player). Give Bosh a LEGIT star to play with and a team that doesn't change it's roster every damn season.

Bosh is doing everything that he can to win us games.

He's PLAYING like a MVP. He just doesn't have the team around him to back him up right now. Hopefully that will change.
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while i agree he isnt worth the fat contract he signed in the offseason, i cant fault him for being somewhat inefficient this season.
the reason why he looked so good last year was because he played on a winning team. Orlando won the East and had an outstanding record.
Hedo reaped the benefits of playing with such a strong team.

out of all the players on this squad, its a shame that the team's overall record plays the biggest factor in what Hedo's grade is.
but its understndable, seeing as how he's the big offseason acquisition.

but i guarentee you, if hedo was playing the way he has all year, and we were 30-10 right now, he'd have an A beside his name.
regardless of how he plays, i believe Hedo's worth is directly connected to the raps winning %. and that is unfair.
Hedo's grade reflects his effort (relative to his pay).

If he TRIED harder (played D, hit the glass) no one would have a problem with him.

Do you see anyone complaining about Bargs anymore?
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Bargs deserves higher IMO.
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Bargs deserves higher IMO.
Higher then a B?

Nahhhhh, that's about right, he struggled for a good portion of December and has come on the last few weeks.
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Yes higher then a B. He has been playing good this year and has career high across the board.
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if we're going to take expectations into account then amir johnson is an A and so is Jarret Jack
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Yes higher then a B. He has been playing good this year and has career high across the board.
Which is why he isn't getting a C.
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Which is why he isn't getting a C.
B means he is doing average.
C means below average. Since he is playing better then past seasons that means he is above average therefore causing his grade to be higher
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if we're going to take expectations into account then amir johnson is an A and so is Jarret Jack
Jarrett Jack sucked big time the first month and was playing wayyyyyyyy below expectations. So saying he would deserve an A is ludacris, especially considering he was supposed to be better defensively then he's shown.
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B means he is doing average.
C means below average. Since he is playing better then past seasons that means he is above average therefore causing his grade to be higher
I'd say he's averaging where he should be. Which is not above expectations but where he should be. I expected 18/7 this season and he's slightly below that overall but close enough. The only person on this team that deserves more then a B is Bosh.
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Passing out of doubleteams... he found Bargs for that huge 3 didn't he? Still a work in progress but not nearly as bad as you make it out to be.

Turns the ball over a lot? LMAO... look at the number of TO's he avgs on the season. Don't judge his overall performance based on TWO games. Jeez....

finding Bargnani for a huge 3 doesnt change the truth that Bosh sucks when it comes to find open teammates..i think this is his biggest gap on his game..

it is a mid season grading so as i said, in last 10 games he has become a TO machine, not overall..41 TO's in 10 games..i am not judging based on two games..it is not the worst performance, of course..

all other things are minor that decrease his grade from A+ to A-..

if i said Bosh is so terrible at all those things like you've accused me to do, then i should give him a C..

i am just saying he has some minor lacks + one big problem IMO, so i gave him an A-..
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D for complaining to the media. D for being out of shape. D for laughing after blowout losses. D for only being effective with the ball in his hands.
Nice post.

heDo ... a well deserved D.

And he's not that even effective with the ball in his hands.

Oh yeah, and for shoot-around with the opposing team on the other side of the floor. Pathetic.
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The team has a record below .500. Why so many Bs?

My grades:

MARCUS BANKS - C+
ANDREA Bargnani - C+
MARCO BELINELLI - C
CHRIS Bosh - A-
JOSE Calderon - C-
DEMAR DEROZAN - C
REGGIE EVANS - Inc
JARRETT JACK - B
AMIR JOHNSON - B-
RASHO NESTEROVIC - C
PATRICK O'BRYANT - Inc
HEDO TURKOGLU - C-
SONNY WEEMS - B
ANTOINE WRIGHT - C-
JAY TRIANO - C-
Bargs is by far the second best player on this team....C
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