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Old 07-07-2008, 07:13 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Gilberts the man, but the paycut doesnt really matter in the scheme of things. Now the Wiz have 3 mil more a year to spend on a fringe player, woop dee doo. If he really wanted to help them he woulda taken a Jamison type deal and they would had like 10 mil to work with.
Its a decent gesture but it doesnt help them in the scheme of things.
Exactly what I said in my thread on EBS. They're getting less than 3 million per year to work with. That's like 3 minimum salary players. Whoah!!?!?!?
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Old 07-07-2008, 07:21 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Exactly what I said in my thread on EBS. They're getting less than 3 million per year to work with. That's like 3 minimum salary players. Whoah!!?!?!?
Come on guys.

3 million per year is the difference between, for example, Kapono's contract and Jose's.

So, uh, yeah...that's pretty significant
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Old 07-07-2008, 08:12 PM   #23 (permalink)
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hey, I have no problem with players looking for their money, in fact I'm kind of against players NOT going for their maximum worth, because it messes up the whole idea of a salary cap. What I don't like is when they act like they don't care.

I'm not sure what billups has to do with anything, the fact remains that arenas couldn't stand the idea of being cut and had to resort to a pathetic trick to cover his ass. The fact that Billups did it too is irrelevant for Arenas' behavior, if anything it speaks about Billups.

And 3 millions when you're way over the cap is useless, it's not like you can take kapono and 3 millions and get a player like Calderon in return. In their current situation, all it does is makes it possible to get another 8th man at best. Better yet, if he plays another season at 12/yr, it saves them 6+, more than the MLE.

Other things I don't like about him are that he's not even trying to play defense, that he's shooting way too many 3 pointers, even when he's having 1 for 11 nights, that he's shooting key shots from the midcourt (a very low percentage shot regardless of how good of a shooter you are) when he could try to create something for a teammate. This is not the behaviour of a player that really cares about his team, but one who cares a little too much about stats. There will never be a championship level team with a main star that's shooting 41% from the field (with a high volume of shots), which is the main reason the Wizards were (and always will be) a mediocre playoff team. After all, despite missing him for a full season, they pretty much had the same record last year, and many of the players on that team had excellent seasons. Which is probably why some (myself included) are saying that the wizards are a better team without him.

In any case, I can't bring any hard proof, so there's no point in debating. To me (and others) he seems like the phoniest player in the league. If he's not, then more power to him. But after seeing everything he does, I just don't see any team mentality out there. Which I wouldn't have a problem with, if he wouldn't go out of his way to claim the opposite.
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Old 07-08-2008, 08:39 AM   #24 (permalink)
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wow. look at Mr. Holier than thou over here talking down a guy he's never met.

Gilbert is one of the top pure shooters in the league, his job is to jack up shots. His percentage and performance took a dive when he came back from what? Two knee procedures??? Ya, I'll step up and apologize for him, he certainly would have liked for his rhythm to have returned a little sooner, but bad luck is what it is.

You have no hard evidence because there is none.

The guy has a friend to enemy ratio of about 25:1 in the league, he's VERY popular because he's a fun guy, and a straight shooter. Who the fuck are we, a bunch of nobody message board posters, to make character judgments, hell, to even speak for his teammates and claim they don't respect him.

Nah, you guys are out of line. And Arenas is a breath of fresh air in the league. I love the guy.
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Old 07-08-2008, 09:38 AM   #25 (permalink)
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hey, I have no problem with players looking for their money, in fact I'm kind of against players NOT going for their maximum worth, because it messes up the whole idea of a salary cap. What I don't like is when they act like they don't care.

I'm not sure what billups has to do with anything, the fact remains that arenas couldn't stand the idea of being cut and had to resort to a pathetic trick to cover his ass. The fact that Billups did it too is irrelevant for Arenas' behavior, if anything it speaks about Billups.
What that has to do with it, is Billups is considered a team first guy and all that, yet he did the same thing (withdrew from consideration citing injuries) Somehow he escapes the criticism Gilbert got.

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And 3 millions when you're way over the cap is useless, it's not like you can take kapono and 3 millions and get a player like Calderon in return. In their current situation, all it does is makes it possible to get another 8th man at best. Better yet, if he plays another season at 12/yr, it saves them 6+, more than the MLE.
He's saving them 3 million per year over 6 years I believe. They likely will not be over the cap for each of the next 6 years, in part because Gil is helping them avoid the burden of a max contract. Building a winning team takes more than one summer, and Gilbert is committing to Washington's building process by freeing up 3 million every year.

And again I will say...Sidney Crosby did this and was praised across the country. Tom Brady did it and was praised across the country. But when Gil does it theres some ulterior motive? Bullshit

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Other things I don't like about him are that he's not even trying to play defense, that he's shooting way too many 3 pointers, even when he's having 1 for 11 nights, that he's shooting key shots from the midcourt (a very low percentage shot regardless of how good of a shooter you are) when he could try to create something for a teammate. This is not the behaviour of a player that really cares about his team, but one who cares a little too much about stats. There will never be a championship level team with a main star that's shooting 41% from the field (with a high volume of shots), which is the main reason the Wizards were (and always will be) a mediocre playoff team. After all, despite missing him for a full season, they pretty much had the same record last year, and many of the players on that team had excellent seasons. Which is probably why some (myself included) are saying that the wizards are a better team without him.
The idea that the Wizards are better without Gilbert is an absolute farce. First of all the Wizards are a better defensive team with Gil on the floor. Secondly, they are a better rebounding team with him on the floor. Finally, Gilbert is one of the best scoring guards in the entire league.

And to blame a team's playoff ineptitude on one player is a cop out.

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There will never be a championship level team with a main star that's shooting 41% from the field (with a high volume of shots)
http://www.nba.com/playerfile/allen_...eer_stats.html

40%, 1800 shots, NBA Finals
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Old 07-08-2008, 11:11 AM   #26 (permalink)
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as usual, SWAG states it better than I can, or will.

I will add this however, since when is it Gilbert Arenas job to manage the Washington Wizards Budget? I think a few of you fella's live in a little dream world, where these guys are running about participating in fantasy GM league sin thier spare time. Players don't owe teams shit. It ain't nostalgia, it's business. Period. Arenas gave back 16 million more than he needed too. Thats his money.

And HE ISN'T the one making him out like a hero, the media is. All he said was that he was happy to do it cuz 111 million is still a lot of cash.

Big deal.
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Old 07-08-2008, 11:26 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Yeah, cant really blame him for taking the money but I think his comments rubbed people the wrong way. He shouldnt be acting like it helped the Wizards cap situation by so much and that hes a hero for doing it cuz that is bs. If he really wanted them to go after one more player he should took a more modern type deal worth 80 mil, but then again no one in their right mind would really ask for less money at 26 years of age though to get more players in WAS so whatever.
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Old 07-08-2008, 11:29 AM   #28 (permalink)
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he didn't though.

he didnt' say much of anything really
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Old 07-08-2008, 01:08 PM   #29 (permalink)
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all he freakingggggggggg said was

"what can i do with 127 Million for my family that i cant with 111 Million?"

He helped his team... at the end of the day... doesnt matter how little or how much you all think so...

why is everyone hating on the guy?

Would you all be so bent up if he said "oh okay here's 16 million donated to my fav charity?" ....
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