My Hopefully Unbiased Opinion Regarding Hedo Situation
Old 03-30-2010, 11:51 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I have a few opinions regarding this subject that I wanted to write on these forums for a while. So, here it goes.

First of all, this mess that Raptors franchise is in right now is everyone's fault.
Some people defend Hedo arguing that Triano is not using him properly, which I absolutely agree and some people hate Hedo's attitude towards this mess such as not caring about Raptors franchise enough which I completely agree as well.

However...
I have one question for the Raptors fans.
Why was Hedo brought (and paid $53 mil) to Toronto?
For his shooting skills? (He usually shoots around 0.410 2pt% and 0.38 3pt%. Not impressive at all)
For his athletic abilities? (He was never strong nor fast)
For his defensive efforts? (He is an average to bad 1 on 1 defender and an average to good team defender)
Or is it because of his ball handling skills and match up problems that he creates for opposing teams in defense?

Isn't that the reason why he got his MIP award? Isn't that the reason why SVG let him become the play-maker of the Orlando Magic team?

He was a pretty average player before joining the Orlando Magic team. In fact he was pretty average right until SVG came to Magic and gave him the role that Hedo shined as a player.

So, why on earth would you pay him so much money to play in your team but put him in a role that he isn't even good at?

What is the whole point of that?

Am I saying that Hedo is great or everything is Raptors management's fault? No, of course not. I really don't like Hedo's attitude at all. But it should be noted that Raptors management really handled this situation extremely poorly from the beginning. I have zero belief in their management capabilities.

My suggestion is simple.
If Raptors wants to keep Jose in the starting line up and let him handle the ball, they should get rid of Hedo. Because Raptors can't afford a $53 mil salary for a bench player. My reasoning is this; Hedo and Jose won't work together. Hedo wants the ball in his hands so does Jose. Plus, when Jose is on the court he doesn't want to share the ball with Hedo. It's pointless. And Hedo will never be as focused as in Orlando as a spot up shooter.

Plus, if you turn him into a spot up shooter and bench him, you are making him undesirable to other NBA teams thus making him untradable. You will get stuck with his $53 mill contract. In other words, you are hurting yourself...

On the other hand, if the Raptors want to keep Hedo, let him start with Jack for the rest of the season and the play offs. Give him the ball and let him do what he wants to do. If you aren't satisfied with his performance, then trade him.

Finally, let me point this out one more time. Hedo's attitude hasn't been good and as a professional basketball player who is making $53 mil for his contract, he should have given at least a better effort. I am not here to defend him.
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Old 03-30-2010, 11:53 PM   #2 (permalink)
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lol Bargs isn't no Dwight Howard. Too many factors affected his game from Orlando to Toronto.
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Old 03-31-2010, 12:00 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Great points Soner.

I agree completely. There's a lot of redundancy with Jose and Hedo and I do hope that BC can get things resolved in the offseason....

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Old 03-31-2010, 01:05 AM   #4 (permalink)
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hedo is good off the bench because it gives his stomach more time to digest the pizza so that he doesnt have to play so sluggishly in games.

oh, and ball.
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Old 03-31-2010, 01:22 AM   #5 (permalink)
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I don't why but I love Turk, his personality and calmness is something the raps never had before, and he's been playing better the last cou[le of games because he's been in the playmaking role as soner stated, even if you look at his numbers the only real dropoff is in points, it's not his fault he got overpaid
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Old 03-31-2010, 01:41 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I don't why but I love Turk, his personality and calmness is something the raps never had before, and he's been playing better the last cou[le of games because he's been in the playmaking role as soner stated, even if you look at his numbers the only real dropoff is in points, it's not his fault he got overpaid
It's his fault he isn't proving to give a maximum effort night in and night out. If he is being questioned, then there must be something wrong...
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Old 03-31-2010, 02:22 AM   #7 (permalink)
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ye good post, I think everyone except Triano sees that Jose and Hedo cant play together. The only guy that plays well with hedo is Banks because Banks doesn't need the ball much.
And I think we bought hedo in b/c of his ball handling and his experience most of all. Seems like everyone says Hedo needs to change and adapt to this system, what about the team needs to find a way to incorporate Hedo into the system?
So I think its mostly on the coach, with SVG, Hedo was given a big role, but here its Bargs and Bosh the main guys.
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Old 03-31-2010, 04:18 AM   #8 (permalink)
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we can discuss tactical aspects of Raptors game forever and perhaps most of the said stuff will be true
Hedo just like everyone else on Raptors team is affected by team's low morale. this definitely part of his fault too but he wasn't expected to bring leadership to this team...
give him a break and see him playing whith more competitive toronto raster next year

in one of the threads someone compared Raptors and golden state (hypothetically having a chance to be no. 8 team to beat top seed)... obviously cleveland is not as soft as dallas team was few years ago but this is not why this situation is impossible - GS had a spark of fun playing basketball (cpt Jack, Barnes, Ellis, Davis... these guys played almost street ball and had fun)
now back to toronto... who did we see playing with attitude and fun on our team? Jack sometimes and Weems. Wright has competitive attitude and Amir brings his energy every game. No wonder Raptors bench usually tops other teams bench and closes gaps created by the starting 5.
Sure these guys don't posses same bball IQ and don't get same respect from refs but they are not fragile exectly because of these reasons. a couple of bad calls and tough stretches can't change their attitude and passion to the game.
Hedo, Jose, Bargs and Bosh are too pragmatic and too much concerned about their numbers... deRozan is just a rookie (hope he finds a good mentor next year)

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Old 03-31-2010, 05:57 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Hedo hasn't fit into the lineup
While is may be that he hasn't been used properly he didn't show up in shape and has had countless small problems.
It is the best for Hedo and the franchise for him to be traded.
The same goes for Jose
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Old 03-31-2010, 07:00 AM   #10 (permalink)
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It is not just about Jose X Hedo ability clash though. As someone else mentioned up;

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lol Bargs isn't no Dwight Howard. Too many factors affected his game from Orlando to Toronto.
I was really excited that Bosh could actually fill that spot as a low post player due gaining some weight and strength in the offseason (he actually posted up and scored in the paint in the opening games too), but he somehow did not continue that trend, and settled for contested jumpers or drives using his quickness. But both of the moves require him demanding the ball away from the basket, meaning Raptors playing without a real 5 in the offense. No offense to Bargs, but he is far from being a 5 physically and mentally and closest thing to a 5 is Bosh in whole Raptors squad.

Let me express my thoughts about utilizing the squad.

I liked Bosh since he stepped foot in the NBA, always thought he was similar to KG offensively and hoped him to gain some strength mentally and physically to defend a little bit like him.

Having noone to post up actually effects Bargs too. If you look at Utah, they have Memo as a 5, yet he plays like a shooting 4 in the offense stretching the floor and being effective BUT, Utah has one of the most efficient low post players, Carlos Boozer.

If Raptors can not find the inside/outside balance, and share the ball handling well between Jose/Hedo, I am afraid, I don't see any hope for the future.
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Old 03-31-2010, 07:43 AM   #11 (permalink)
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BTW - welcomed Soner - nice post. There is no doubt that Hedo as a spot-up shooter is a little crazy.
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Old 03-31-2010, 09:16 AM   #12 (permalink)
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after Soners post i have nothing else to say
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after Soners post i have nothing else to say



Thank You Soners!!
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Old 03-31-2010, 09:23 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Thank You Soners!!

and it is coming from 20.000 posts owner

Jeffrey , you have always something else to say dude
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Old 03-31-2010, 10:16 AM   #15 (permalink)
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All said and done, the point it he doesn't play hard. I can't tell my boss that I'm not given the proper role in the company and I have a stomach-ache and can't make it to the office tomorrow. I'm not even invested millions to be at my best all the time. Toronto fans appreciate a guy who leave it all on the floor. That's why JYD was a fan favourite while he was hardly an NBA material.
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Soner,

You made some good points. I think (I could be wrong) Hedo was brought in for a few reasons. In terms of what Hedo was supposed to do on the court, I agree with you. Before Hedo arrived, a number of fans, myslef included, wished that Jose would shoot a little more, especially from 3 point range. Jose is a very good shooter. In theory, having Hedo handle the ball a fair amount should have opened up Jose to take more wide open spot up 3s. Unfortunately, in reality, things have not worked. Early in the season, Jose did not react well to playing off the ball. He was reluctant to give it up. Hedo definitely needs to play the majority of his minutes with Jack. I doubt many, if any, users on this forum will disagree with you.
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