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Old 02-15-2012, 03:12 PM   #61 (permalink)
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I don't see how he gets called out for not stepping up to play D. That's the biggest point of emphasis in his game as far as I can tell, and it's making a big difference over previous years.
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Old 02-15-2012, 03:27 PM   #62 (permalink)
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I don't want DeRozan to handle anything!

& I see nothing wrong with my example. What I am saying is that DeMar has to step up & play some D! & also learn how to dribble...2 of the biggest holes in his game.
Your first post wasn't clear and actually were two different points, but I understand you now.

As LX said, his defence is much improved this year. He doesn't get blown by as often and he plays good help defence. His defence the past 2 or 3 weeks has been very good actually.
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Old 02-15-2012, 03:33 PM   #63 (permalink)
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The only reason Jose played well was because he had Jeremy Lin on him. Anyone can drop 25-30 on Jeremy Lin, save for Derek Fisher maybe.


The only guy to drop 25-30 on him (other than Jose last night) was Wall... and that was because Wall was ballhogging it to the extreme.
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I don't see how he gets called out for not stepping up to play D. That's the biggest point of emphasis in his game as far as I can tell, and it's making a big difference over previous years.
He's played more D than in previous years but is far from being a game-changing, uber-athletic defensive wing and that's why he gets called out. All this supposed athletic potential and he's unable to utilize his most heralded skillset to be at minimum an above average defender.

I think he can improve immensly defensively, but he's got to continue to work on his body and athleticism cause he's sitll a kid in a man's game.
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Old 02-15-2012, 04:40 PM   #65 (permalink)
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Carter at age 35 plays better defense than DeRozan
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Your first post wasn't clear and actually were two different points, but I understand you now.

As LX said, his defence is much improved this year. He doesn't get blown by as often and he plays good help defence. His defence the past 2 or 3 weeks has been very good actually.
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Carter at age 35 plays better defense than DeRozan
He should.

Defense is a lot more about experience and intelligence than it is about athleticism.
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Old 02-15-2012, 10:42 PM   #68 (permalink)
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He's played more D than in previous years but is far from being a game-changing, uber-athletic defensive wing and that's why he gets called out. All this supposed athletic potential and he's unable to utilize his most heralded skillset to be at minimum an above average defender.

I think he can improve immensly defensively, but he's got to continue to work on his body and athleticism cause he's sitll a kid in a man's game.
where did this uber-athletic bs come from? He is not uber-athletic, nor will he ever be. He is not a super hero nor a harvard grad. He's a kid with some tools that is learning a whole new role, and he is doing a good job of not killing the team while he's doing it.

I'll agree that he still needs to work on his body, and keep getting better defensively. That's a given.

As for SJ putting him at the bottom of the league for his position across all categories - simply pure baloney. He is 7th in points per game. He is 6th in freethrows made, and 5th for free throws attempted. He's 22 for assists per game. He's 12th in steals and 12th in blocks and 9th in rebounds. And as long as he keeps working on an appropriate role, and not what fans want him to be, he's going to be able to make an impact. Maybe he still doesn't fit in the long run, but he's hardly about to be drummed out of the league.
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Old 02-15-2012, 10:47 PM   #69 (permalink)
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where did this uber-athletic bs come from? He is not uber-athletic, nor will he ever be. He is not a super hero nor a harvard grad. He's a kid with some tools that is learning a whole new role, and he is doing a good job of not killing the team while he's doing it.

I'll agree that he still needs to work on his body, and keep getting better defensively. That's a given.

As for SJ putting him at the bottom of the league for his position across all categories - simply pure baloney. He is 7th in points per game. He is 6th in freethrows made, and 5th for free throws attempted. He's 22 for assists per game. He's 12th in steals and 12th in blocks and 9th in rebounds. And as long as he keeps working on an appropriate role, and not what fans want him to be, he's going to be able to make an impact. Maybe he still doesn't fit in the long run, but he's hardly about to be drummed out of the league.
He has good defensive instincts. He knows where to get steals on the court. I loved the play tonight where he bodied out Green to get position on the fast break.

He does a lot of small things which don't show up in the boxscore, and when he's passing the ball he is almost always a positive out on the court. Being on a team where there is pressure to score the basketball doesn't help his cause.

My concern with Demar is that he and Jose have never meshed really that well together. With the exception of throwing Demar baseline oops off of pick and rolls with a big, Jose has never really found away to get Demar easy buckets the same way he has with Amir or Bargs or even Kleiza.

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Old 02-17-2012, 06:16 PM   #70 (permalink)
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if people want to give up on DD in a season where we're playing a totally different style of ball and he's been asked to learn loads of new things that's fine, but i'm not giving up on him. This is a perfect season for him to learn.

i'm onboard with people's criticisms of him, i've been disappointed and frustrated with him as well. For one, i don't think his bball IQ (one of the most important attributed imo,) is great. Hence the struggles to adapt. It's frustrating when you see him missing open jumpers that he was making in the back-end of last season but to me that doesn't mean he's regressed. Surely people agree that in a more defensive, slow system where there are fewer opportunities for him to shoot it is harder for him? There is no flow to his game like there was last year and he has to adapt.

Bargs being out has obviously hurt him too.

I have taken back my expectations of him a bit, but to give up on him just seems crazy to me. I felt like he was a future all-star or one step below that. I still think he can be one step below all-star.

when the team is better and our offence is actually working the way casey wants it to (the way he described it when he was first interviewed,) DD can be a valuable player for us.

great last 2 posts by LX and bjjs.
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Old 02-17-2012, 07:18 PM   #71 (permalink)
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Last three posts all have really good points. The expectations were definitely set high because of the end of last season. Which is what is causing a lot of the frustration. He still has lots of time to learn, and gel with whatever point guard and system we're heading towards. Once we have our picks (JV and this year) and FA signings after this year growing together, then we can make better judgements. This franchise needs some players to stick around for more then one contract occasionally believe it or not.
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:39 PM   #72 (permalink)
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he's average. they will pay him way above average.
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Old 02-17-2012, 09:42 PM   #73 (permalink)
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Can't play D, can't dribble, inconsistent shooter.



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Old 02-17-2012, 09:43 PM   #74 (permalink)
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playing well today...getting to the line i see...I like to see that.
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Old 02-18-2012, 02:13 AM   #75 (permalink)
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Lol we lose a lot but it seems like everytime DeRozan had a good game it's a guaranteed loss lately.
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Old 02-18-2012, 06:58 AM   #76 (permalink)
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wonder what kind of trade value demar derozan actually has

i wouldn't mind seeing the raps trading demar and ed in a packaged deal for someone who can guard and shoot 3's consistently

obviously if we cant get a fair deal i would much rather keep them around but if there is deal out there for a sg or sf that can guard and shoot 3's consistently, i might want to consider this

especially if we draft kidd gilchrist somebody like that

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wonder what kind of trade value demar derozan actually has

i wouldn't mind seeing the raps trading demar and ed in a packaged deal for someone who can guard and shoot 3's consistently

obviously if we cant get a fair deal i would much rather keep them around but if there is deal out there for a sg or sf that can guard and shoot 3's consistently, i might want to consider this

especially if we draft kidd gilchrist somebody like that
i would love to see what derozan can achieve next season and i am a fan of his but i agree we should look into all trades that are possible. Jose has value for a contender, Bargs has value due to his great play and with the draft stacked with bigs and already having 2 decent PFs we should look into what we can get for him as well.

a trade involving ed and demar would have to get something really good back tho. I know they are both inconsistent and unproven but you would be giving away 2 players with potential. Batum and wilson chandler can defend and hit 3s not sure i'd give up 2 talents for either of those guys. Yes they have shown something in the league already but don't underestimate the value of TWO players who could get quite a lot better.
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i would love to see what derozan can achieve next season and i am a fan of his but i agree we should look into all trades that are possible. Jose has value for a contender, Bargs has value due to his great play and with the draft stacked with bigs and already having 2 decent PFs we should look into what we can get for him as well.

a trade involving ed and demar would have to get something really good back tho. I know they are both inconsistent and unproven but you would be giving away 2 players with potential. Batum and wilson chandler can defend and hit 3s not sure i'd give up 2 talents for either of those guys. Yes they have shown something in the league already but don't underestimate the value of TWO players who could get quite a lot better.
Batum can get quite alot better as well. I agree to not give them away, but don't discount other talent too.
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Batum can get quite alot better as well. I agree to not give them away, but don't discount other talent too.
indeed, batum can get better. It's all about taking your chances isn't it. But giving up TWO players you're giving up the chance that 2 guys can improve a lot to get one player who can improve a lot. The flip-side is, out of those three guys batum is probably (but not definitely) going to end up the best.

i would like more than batum for DD and Ed, but i'm prob being a bit unrealistic.
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indeed, batum can get better. It's all about taking your chances isn't it. But giving up TWO players you're giving up the chance that 2 guys can improve a lot to get one player who can improve a lot. The flip-side is, out of those three guys batum is probably (but not definitely) going to end up the best.

i would like more than batum for DD and Ed, but i'm prob being a bit unrealistic.
I see both sides here - Batum has shown a lot more than either of DD or ED, but either or both of those two could end up being special. So I wouldn't fault either GM for saying no here. If BC is leaning towards keeping DD and ED, and Portland really wanted to get it done, if they offer Batum and a first rounder I don't know if you can say no.
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