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Old 06-08-2008, 07:57 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Bargs will be alright. He knows that he's going to have to fight for his minutes this season instead of automatically receiving them. He has to know that we're looking to fix our PF/C position, so he knows that he has to step-up! Right!


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Old 06-08-2008, 08:55 PM   #2 (permalink)
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You've just boosted my hopes on Bargnani by .01%.
Maybe now Colangelo won't buy him out.
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Old 06-09-2008, 07:01 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Boooooo ..... funkie's delusional now too.
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Old 06-09-2008, 08:58 AM   #4 (permalink)
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He's got to be headed in the right direction at least.
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Old 06-09-2008, 09:00 AM   #5 (permalink)
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He needs to be healthy.
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Old 06-10-2008, 12:41 AM   #6 (permalink)
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I'd love for Toronto to trade him for shit.

Just so I could laugh at you idiots when he gets his shit straight.
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Old 06-10-2008, 02:16 AM   #7 (permalink)
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He best get his shit straight, or BC looks like an idiot, and this team is screwed
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Old 06-10-2008, 05:44 AM   #8 (permalink)
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I hope he gets better next year. He's gotta get back to hittin those clutch shots he used to make last season.
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Old 06-10-2008, 10:05 AM   #9 (permalink)
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I hope he gets better next year. He's gotta get back to hittin those clutch shots he used to make last season.
Its more important that he develops an interior game, i think his shooting woes throughout this season overall improved his game as he was forced to attack the basketball more often...watch dirk play, he rarely takes 3's, only in the flow of the offense, most of his game is through attacking the basket, midrange jumpshots off screens, or iso's
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Old 06-10-2008, 01:19 PM   #10 (permalink)
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right, but he only stopped taking lots of 3s last season or so - for most of his career dirk was a volume 3pt shooter
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Old 06-10-2008, 01:45 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Actually Dirk attempted more 3s this season than last...2.9 A's 07/08 while only 2.2A's 06/07...thats why his shooting percentage eclipsed 50% in 06/07 for the first time...
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Old 06-10-2008, 08:02 PM   #12 (permalink)
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sorry, I meant before the previous season (after they got beaten in the finals) - he did it on purpose because he felt he needed a stronger post presence. If you look at the number of 3s he attempted throughout his career, he takes far fewer now than he used to:

68, 306, 390 (!), 350, 390, 290, 228 and 271 (in 2006). The past two years? 173 and 220. Coincidence or not, the year he took the fewest 3s, he got the MVP title ...
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Old 06-11-2008, 01:06 AM   #13 (permalink)
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were on the exact same page...Dirks game became more consistent, his rebounding numbers spiked, shot a better percentage from the floor...when he stopped relying on threes as much...Bargnani's horrid shooting this season hopefully inspired andrea to realize that as well...standing behind the arc, jakcing up every possible three IS NOT the player we need him to be
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Old 06-11-2008, 01:25 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I don't think anybody would argue that - it's just that the post game doesn;t come natural to either of them. Even now, after 10 seasons or so, Nowitzki still looks rather awkard when posting. It took Nowitzki many seasons to develop this skill - but here there are Raptors fans who would be willing to sell Andreea for almost free for not doing the same in one season ...
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Old 06-11-2008, 04:30 PM   #15 (permalink)
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i think someone on the forum was saying that raps fans are too critical of their own players. we should be more like chuck and leo. everyone's greeeeeeeeeeat on the team. plus, we are too critical. Bargnani was nostalgic. very nostalgic, and he had to play centre too - that experiment failed. anyway, he's bound to get better next year
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Old 06-11-2008, 04:41 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Its not necessarily about the post game. Dirk and Bargs are different situations. Dallas has never had a legitimate post threat, so Dirk was forced to develop that part of his game. Bargnani isn't really asked to play the post.

My biggest issue with Bargs is he looked lost out there most of the time. In my opinion, this is a function of the Raptors running an intuition style offense. By which I mean their offensive sets and the plays they run out of them don't seem to be mapped out too specifically. So while the high screen and roll is happening, or when the ball gets kicked out off of the drive, Bargs is somewhat confused about what he needs to be doing. I think thats why hes floating around the outside so much, even when it's obvious from a viewing perspective someone needs to be cutting. That also explains why he rarely catches and finishes from inside 15 feet.

But honestly, Bargs could put up 6 points a game...if he can pull down 8 boards and learn how to play D (both of which he was light years away from last season), I'd be thrilled at this point.
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Old 06-11-2008, 07:22 PM   #17 (permalink)
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Post play is not a necessity in modern basketball, just look at the NBA finals the two premier bigman...KG hardly a typical post-up player...Gasol plays face-up more often than not, scoring through cuts, and quick hook shots...As long as our team is attacking the basket, creating easy looks (not just from beyond the arc) Bargnani, and Bosh can co-exist ...we just need Bargnani to run the majority of his offense from around the arc not behind it, his most consistent shot on the floor last year was a pull up just behind the free throw line, needs to control that area of the court

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Old 06-11-2008, 08:04 PM   #18 (permalink)
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bargnani is never going to be a reggie evans type of player. If he will make it in this league, he will make it as an offensive force. He needs to learn to play passable defense, at least to the level Bosh is playing.

But I agree 100% with him being often confused (except I blame the coach for this, I have the feeling he was being asked to do contradictory things, and intelligent people tend to become confused in that situation).
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Old 06-11-2008, 08:10 PM   #19 (permalink)
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and perkins plays decent in the post, he's not tim duncan or close, but he can post a smaller player easily. And Gasol is playing more like a PF out there, LA is always playing small ball, that's why Boston kills them on the glass. That's not to say that Gasol can't post though, it's more like the system.

Bargnani doesn't have to become a post player, but he needs to be able to exploit mismatches. He has one side covered, his quickness and 3pt shooting is almost impossible to guard with a slow moving center. But until he's able to overpower a quicker PF or SF in the post, teams will keep defending him with this type of player.

Once he learns this, he will be extremely hard to stop - that's what makes him an extraordinary prospect (and very unique in the league).
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Old 06-11-2008, 11:48 PM   #20 (permalink)
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Ya, i think as this team progresses, as the talent level increases Sam's weak coaching chops will inevitably cost him his job. He's a great motivator, but his X and O's are terrible, how many times can you call a high pick and roll, especially when your dealing with young talent? How is Bargnani suppose to get the touches he needs where he wants them...Sam's asking Andrea to learn a new position, play solid D, rebound, and figure out a niche in the offense.

Bargs stands around in 3 point range cause its the easy option, the main thing he can do thats a matchup...Run a play for Bargs in the post, an iso in the blocks, something high percentage and i think his ppg, and confidence sky rocket

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