Most Profitable Sports Venues in North America
Old 01-08-2010, 07:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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1. Staples Center, Los Angeles
2. Air Canada Centre, Toronto
3. TD Garden, Boston
4. Madison Square Garden, New York
5. United Center, Chicago

Toronto's Air Canada Centre, where high-priced hockey tickets and 154 luxury suites bring in more than $10,000 per seat annually
Relatively low NBA ticket prices are offset by high NHL prices in this hockey-crazed town, all supplemented by 154 suites
North America's Most Lucrative Stadiums - Forbes.com
In Pictures: The Most Profitable Sports Venues - No. 1: Staples Center, Los Angeles - Forbes.com
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Old 01-08-2010, 07:56 AM   #2 (permalink)
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It's crazy how high the demand is for Leafs hockey in toronto. crazy.

I mentioned to my wife that i wouldn't mind leaf tickets for Xmas (i've never been to a live hockey match), and she said that she found tickets for something like $300 per. Of course i didn't want to go THAT much.
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Go to Buffalo to watch a game...a bit of a drive, but way cheaper.
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sure, but i'd like to see my team actually win.

I think i'd rather ride my bike to ricoh and watch the marlies.
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The scary think about the ACC is that MLSE owns everything in that venue. ALL profits come to their pockets. THats a lot of bread right there
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its a myth.

you can walk up to the window and get 300 seats rather cheaply to any leaf game on game day. If not, the scalps are there and you can almost always get face or below.

Most people just don't try

Anyhow, the report.

It's why I get so pissed at the MLSE. It's not that they don't spend on players, they do, and always have.

They refuse to spend on everything else.

If they'd spend to get the best scouts, the best staffing, they'd be way better off but they won't.
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The scary think about the ACC is that MLSE owns everything in that venue. ALL profits come to their pockets. THats a lot of bread right there
you also go the Rock there, they don't own it but MLSE is raking in rent money
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its a myth.

you can walk up to the window and get 300 seats rather cheaply to any leaf game on game day. If not, the scalps are there and you can almost always get face or below.

Most people just don't try

Anyhow, the report.

It's why I get so pissed at the MLSE. It's not that they don't spend on players, they do, and always have.

They refuse to spend on everything else.

If they'd spend to get the best scouts, the best staffing, they'd be way better off but they won't.
I agree with the ticket situation. If you really want to get a box the day of a leaf game you can. If you want to get tickets the day of you also can I totally agree they just make it look like the ticket demand is bigger than it actually is.

As for spending money on operations I dunno Burke and BC carry a big salary. Maybe in the past they haven't but it always seems like MLSE gets the guys when its 2 years too late when losers like JFJ and Babcock already made a mess of the team.
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Old 01-08-2010, 09:19 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Not quite what I mean.

They always have a big name GM and a decent coach, because thats window dressing.

I'm talking further down the line.

I mean christ, they are so cheap they hire schleps like Benzo..... need I say more?




The MLSE is notorious for their refusal to spend on top notch scouting. Thats where the biggest issue is for me.
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Not quite what I mean.

They always have a big name GM and a decent coach, because thats window dressing.

I'm talking further down the line.

I mean christ, they are so cheap they hire schleps like Benzo..... need I say more?




The MLSE is notorious for their refusal to spend on top notch scouting. Thats where the biggest issue is for me.
You could be right but seriously I have no clue about what kind of scouts the Raps and LEafs have and how effective they are. I do know the Leafs don't have a mastermind European scout like the Wings do. I do know that even if its hindsight Jennings should have been drafted over Dero. Your right about the results they are there. Look at Tyler Myers or Luke Schenn its looking good that Myers will be a consistent All Star and Schenn well will only be pretty good.

WHat I'm saying I see the results are poor but I don't really know about the body of scouting.
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I don't know first hand DVS. But my best friend is on HNIC, his job is to be an expert and we talk about it sometimes. The MLSE is chincy in the scouting dept.

It's getting a bit better I think, but for the last decade and before it was just brutal.
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i can't really complain about the Raptors scouting. Like you DVS, i don't really know much about the process, but i find the raps have their ears to the ground pretty good since BC came on board - especially with the european scene.

The leafs on the other hand are probably not that good so i'll agree with SJ as far as that's concerned.
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I don't know first hand DVS. But my best friend is on HNIC, his job is to be an expert and we talk about it sometimes. The MLSE is chincy in the scouting dept.

It's getting a bit better I think, but for the last decade and before it was just brutal.
Its like they fix the mistakes when they are already behind the 8 ball though. Fact is when your a bad team you still have to have good management.
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totally.

you have to prepare 100%, if the player let you down, so be it, but if there is now foundation, and no system of young guys you will fail.

See the toronto maple leafs.

See, the toronto Raptors until Colangelo
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totally.

you have to prepare 100%, if the player let you down, so be it, but if there is now foundation, and no system of young guys you will fail.

See the toronto maple leafs.

See, the toronto Raptors until Colangelo
Actually I'll argue that you have to have better management when you suck. Thats the time you have an opportunity to get better young players that require even more evaluation. When a team is good management has to worry about getting the best role players as the foundation is already there.

MLSE has to realize the sports game is alot harder than it actually is. Thank god Raptor fans don't put up with as much bullshit as they will empty those seats alot faster when they don't like what they see.
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thats what I said dork!
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thats what I said dork!
I just made it sound better. You should always come to me for proofreading
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I don't see whats wrong with MLSE
they have big name GM's and are willing to spend up to the cap limit
Raptors have many long term contracts that they're willing to pay for
correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think we've ever been in a situation where we had to sell players because MLSE didn't have money
In the end they provide the money, the GM builds the team
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The MLSE is notorious for their refusal to spend on top notch scouting. Thats where the biggest issue is for me.
SJ, you don't need top scouting department when you trade your picks consistently
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I don't see whats wrong with MLSE
they have big name GM's and are willing to spend up to the cap limit
Raptors have many long term contracts that they're willing to pay for
correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think we've ever been in a situation where we had to sell players because MLSE didn't have money
In the end they provide the money, the GM builds the team
While i agree with your overall points (i don't think MLSE are the worst owners), don't you find it strange that with the amount of money that's spent on the teams, they are still near the bottom of the leagues. this doesn't really apply to the Raptors since Colangelo has changed that dramatically, but the way the leafs have been run has been pretty inexcusable.

Graunted the money has always been there for the team's payroll, and a good GM is in place now, but how can a team suck for years and years and years if money ain't a thang so to speak? it doesn't make sense.

Again, i'm far less concerned about the basketball side of things, so that really doesn't apply to the raptors.
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