More athletes = the key?
Old 12-20-2009, 05:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I think that Thriller touched on this before in one of his posts earlier in the week and I just wanted to come back to the topic because I thought that it was pretty interesting given what we've been seeing over the last 2 games.

Perhaps what we've been missing for most of this season hasn't been coaching or effort (although I think that's shot us in the foot in more than a few games)... but instead LEGIT NBA ATHLETES who can keep guys in front of them on the perimeter?

You look at our lineups earlier in the season and it featured a lot of Belli/Jose/Wright..... Now Belli's a gifted offensive player but it seems like he still has a little ways to go defensively... and Jose isn't the best of defensive players even when he's NOT injured... and then we had Wright who still wasn't healthy to begin with.

NOW we're looking at Jack and Banks defending the point and Weems and DD on the perimeter... along with a hper-active Amir down low.

Basically guys who have the speed, strength and energy to get out and contest shots and bother their man all the way down the floor. All of them do a very good job as well of helping out on the glass and sharing the ball.

I'll be interested to see how the next few games play out with this lineup. I like it so far though.
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Old 12-20-2009, 05:02 PM   #2 (permalink)
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not trying to racist or anything
White guys can't defend, its a fact, D Fish said so
In the past 10 years there has only been one white guy on an all Defensive team
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Old 12-20-2009, 05:06 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Its not Jack, Jose or Banks. Geez people its the guys behind them, its called team d. We tend to play it in spurts. If we can be consistant and play with energy we will be just fine. Did you actually see Jack holding up Paul today who was playing with a sore ankle ? Not a chance it was support guys.
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not trying to racist or anything
White guys can't defend, its a fact, D Fish said so
In the past 10 years there has only been one white guy on an all Defensive team
So why is Spain so strong in basketball.... not to come across as racist but shit man its 5 whites against 5 blacks and they hold their own against the so called best american players in the world.
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So why is Spain so strong in basketball.... not to come across as racist but shit man its 5 whites against 5 blacks and they hold their own against the so called best american players in the world.
I just saying what GM's say
they were talking about white American players more, Europeans are generally better equiped because they play pro ball before the NBA
but you can't say Caldy, Hedo, Beli are good defenders Bargs can at least play man to man D
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Old 12-20-2009, 05:13 PM   #6 (permalink)
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the key=more defence
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Old 12-20-2009, 05:15 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Old 12-20-2009, 05:18 PM   #8 (permalink)
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You guys honestly think that it's just a matter of our guys TRYING more?

That's part of it yes, but does anyone here think that Jose would have been able to harass CP3 the way that Banks and Jack did?

Or that Wright would have contributed just as much as Weems?

C'mon now.... I love those guys and all but it's as much about personnel as it is about effort.
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Old 12-20-2009, 05:22 PM   #9 (permalink)
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Less Beli and more Banks = more wins
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Old 12-20-2009, 05:22 PM   #10 (permalink)
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A lob from Sonny to DD sparked the 10-2 run and we never looked back! It's for sure that those guys bring energy AT HOME!!!
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Old 12-20-2009, 05:36 PM   #11 (permalink)
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it was nice to see them turn up the defense in the second quarter and end up ahead at the half time break. they lost in the turnovers, which is usually an L for this team, but CP3 was -12 or something like that.. that is good team defense for sure, he had little room to move and i am not sure a good ankle would have helped him much as the guys worked hard to get him to give up the ball. Banks played his best game as a Raptor IMO.

good team effort to win a game they shouldn't! the next 15 days should be a good time for us to get back to .500 on the season... the defense just needs to keep pressing themselves.. if that means jose stays injured, then so be it...
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You guys honestly think that it's just a matter of our guys TRYING more?

That's part of it yes, but does anyone here think that Jose would have been able to harass CP3 the way that Banks and Jack did?

Or that Wright would have contributed just as much as Weems?

C'mon now.... I love those guys and all but it's as much about personnel as it is about effort.
It was not Jack or Banks that was the differance. Hell Paul on one leg was beating those guys. It was team d, their rotations and support that was the differance.

We killed this team the last time we played them and even though Jose had a great game it was the team d that won it. We gave up fewer points in New Orleans and we sure scored a bundle of more points on offence against a healthy Paul in that game.Don't knock Calderon.

The team is playing well regardless the players who we play in the game. JT has a game plan on team d , it calls for energy. I don't buy the athletic card as the reason we won today its called hard work on the physical side and believe it or not it called using your god given brain thats located between the ears.

The funny thing about all this is the guys that think we play great d when a team misses 7 out of 10 wide open shots are the same ones that think that Banks and Jack was the reason why we won today. Get your heads our of your assess it was great team d that gave us the chance to win today.We reacted to plan every time Paul and company blew past the first guy.Again I repeat it was great team d that won this game.
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I just saying what GM's say
they were talking about white American players more, Europeans are generally better equiped because they play pro ball before the NBAbut you can't say Caldy, Hedo, Beli are good defenders Bargs can at least play man to man D
hey windex spray some on your glasses lol because the last time i looked Caldy, Hedo, Beli and Bargs are all European and are white.
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Old 12-20-2009, 07:13 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Basically guys who have the speed, strength and energy to get out and contest shots and bother their man all the way down the floor. All of them do a very good job as well of helping out on the glass and sharing the ball.
we have such guys in the roster. but they're a bit on the slow pace of developing their talent. another thing i observed is that they don't know how to create their own shots.

damn..why can't we be blessed with drafts like brandon roy or kobe?
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Old 12-20-2009, 08:00 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Team D happens when the perimeter is not a sieve.

I think another key is not getting carried away with trying to push the pace. It works when Weems, Derozan, and Johnson are out there together, but with the starters it leads to to many points going the other way in transition.
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Old 12-20-2009, 08:11 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I would like to give the coaching staff some props for a change.
Yes the team has underachieved but Amir was relegated to the Detriot bench and was traded to the Raptors with Weems as a throw-in basically as a bench warmer or to be sent to the D League. Amis's problems was fouls great potential but couldn't stay in the game now he is staying in the games and Weems looks better but too early to tell.

Maybe JT and staff not as bad as everyone thinks.

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The coaching was great today. That's exactly what's been missing - making some real decisions instead of having the perfect rotations that give everybody the minutes that everyone expected before the game starts.
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Old 12-20-2009, 08:26 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I would like to give the coaching staff some props for a change.
Yes the team has underachieved but Amir was relegated to the Detriot bench and was traded to the Raptors with Weems as a throw-in basically as a bench warmer or to be sent to the D League. Amis's problems was fouls great potential but couldn't stay in the game now he is staying in the games and Weems looks better but too early to tell.

Maybe JT and staff not as bad as everyone thinks.

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Well said Cam (and LX).

Everyone's quick to throw the coaches uner the bus after every loss but after wins those same critics are very quiet.

NJ, HOU and NOH today were all very well-coached games and we didn't just win because the opponents simply "missed shats". We had the right players in the game at the right times and the shootarounds in the morning (something that Triano has done only recently) have the team looking much moe prepared now.

raptor123... I love your enthusiam.. I really do... and believe me you won't find anyone who loves Jose more than I do (except the girls maybe.. ha!) but you have to face facts.

Having guys who can stay in front onf their own man makes a difference.

It just does.

Go back and watch the game again and see how difficult Jack and Banks made it for Paul to initiate any kind of offense at all. They were right on him for the whole game. They were quick enough to move laterally and strong enough that he couldn't post them up either.

The coaching staff did a great job and the guys definitely played like they wanted it.... but the players DEFINITELY made a difference. There's a reason why we didn't see Rasho, Pops or much of Belli in this game.

Sometimes it's about finding the right matchups. And today Triano did that.
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the key=more defence

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"It was a difficult afternoon for us offensively," Hornets coach Jeff Bower said. "Toronto made us work for every shot we got. They played a strong defensive game."

"The one thing Marcus (Banks) can do is defend," Triano said.
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How about playing against poor offensive teams? We've kinda had this line up now for the past week or so, didn't do so well against Orlando.
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