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alseaf 12-30-2007 02:15 PM

Moon's situation of recent
 
Ok, 30 games or so into the season, other teams have figured this dude out. last night in Houston, they left him WIDE open and he was so hesitent to put it up. At one point, the defender was nowhere near him, yet he was pump faking, prompting the announcer basically laugh at him, lol. He did get 11 pts last night be he missed a ton of wide open shots. It troubles me that he doesn't drive to the basket nearly as much as he should. The reason he's in the starting lineup is so that he can guard the opposing team's best forward...lately this has been a moot point because those players are pumpfaking his ass into foul trouble and easy baskets.

My solution:
- have him come off the bench, and start 'fino in his place (Felfino's defense isn't a huge drop off from moon, when man-to-man)
-keep him in starting linup but force his ass to go to the hoop and give most of his shots to parker

really, if he doesn't try to attack the basket everytime he has the ball, he should be yanked by Mitch.

Ball Don't Lie 12-30-2007 03:42 PM

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really, if he doesn't try to attack the basket everytime he has the ball, he should be yanked by Mitch.
Uh huh, yet Delfino takes 30 foot contested 3's and none of you say shit about that? Talk about hypocritical. Delfino is the one who should be taking it more to the rim, hes got the ballhandling skills to do so, Moon is still working on that part of his game. What's delfino's excuse? Moon should continue starting until he really fucks up or loses his confidence. He took the shots that were available last night, there was no driving room past Yao because Houston wasnt letting us in the paint and the refs werent calling Hayes for mugging Bosh and everyone else. Moon was active in challenging Yaos shots when he turned too. Delfino should never start, then we'll only have Kapono off the bench for offence.

Dr. J. Naismith 12-30-2007 06:12 PM

Right now, I'd rather have Kapono start instead of either Moon or Delfino. Moon's only confident in is defense and if he ever comes around on offense he'll be a complete player. But, if Sam's rewarding underachievers like Bargnani with a starting spot, then its not fair to someone like Kapono who besides Jose has really been the only other consistant player on this team over the last month or so. He deserves his starting spot again. JMO

alseaf 12-30-2007 08:26 PM

[quote=thriller92;2528 He took the shots that were available last night, there was no driving room past Yao because Houston wasnt letting us in the paint... Moon was active in challenging Yaos shots when he turned too. Delfino should never start, then we'll only have Kapono off the bench for offence.[/QUOTE]

Don't you get that those shots were available because the defense knows he can't shoot for shit? when he's on the offensive end, teams know to cheat of his shot and pile in the paint, and that, my friend, is why Houston 'wasnt letting us in the paint' lol. If 'fino was in there, they know he can shoot it well and the paint isn't as crowded anymore.

As for your 'second unit would not score' argument, we got some decent contributions from Hump, kapono and dixon. Delfino only scored 5 pts. I'm not saying bench him and don't play him at all, just start delfino so we can move the ball well and spread the damn floor. wtf u think this team was built to do? spreading the floor with shooters and moving the ball is our game, with moon in the startig lineup, we're crippled.

p.s moon should not be concerned with contesting Yao's shots, thats retarded.

Ball Don't Lie 12-31-2007 02:43 AM

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Don't you get that those shots were available because the defense knows he can't shoot for shit? when he's on the offensive end, teams know to cheat of his shot and pile in the paint, and that, my friend, is why Houston 'wasnt letting us in the paint' lol. If 'fino was in there, they know he can shoot it well and the paint isn't as crowded
anymore.
The second unit wasnt doing much better with all the 'shooters' we had on the floor. The paint was still crowded and they were letting us catch it behind the 3 pt line and still rotating to at least contest in the least.

It didnt matter who was in the game, their #1 priority was to protect the paint and we werent burning them on kickouts because we never got deep enough in the paint to make them collapse far enough from their man to where the 3 pt shooter was wide open for more than half a second.

A lot of that is Calderon's fault and lack of aggression in getting deep into the paint to make the defence make a decision, but it's understandable because of how many minutes hes had to play lately. It's not Moon's fault our offence is sucking, it's fatigue and not having TJ and Jose to take the pressure off one another.

THEY are our coaches, and THEY are our offence. Why do you think Bosh is struggling so much lately too? He's shooting contested jumpers late in the shot clock because of our lack of ball and player movement, and he isnt getting open looks off pick and rolls because they know Calderon isnt gonna take it hard off the pick, makes our offence even more predictable.

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As for your 'second unit would not score' argument, we got some decent contributions from Hump, kapono and dixon. Delfino only scored 5 pts. I'm not saying bench him and don't play him at all, just start delfino so we can move the ball well and spread the damn floor. wtf u think this team was built to do? spreading the floor with shooters and moving the ball is our game, with moon in the startig lineup, we're crippled.
Having Delfino in there would help a little bit, but not much since he has shot such a bad % out there. Until Moon really starts to struggle or doesnt contribute at all I like things the way they are, our biggest problem isnt our lineup, it's not having TJ in the lineup to balance things out.

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p.s moon should not be concerned with contesting Yao's shots, thats retarded.
He's at his best when hes roaming around the floor and contesting shots from the weak side and grabbing boards from the weak side, so yes, he should be concerned in helping the big who's guarding the other teams best post player in affecting their shot, especially if hes on a player who doesnt get the ball all that often, it makes our defence that much better.

Sick, Wicked and Nasty! 01-03-2008 10:43 AM

With Rasho no longer starting I leave Moon in there for defense, rebounding and shot blocking no questions asked. We do better as a team when we set a defensive tone early in games... Kapono is a good help defender but doesn't offer those tone-setting plays like Moon does.

Kuzzy 01-04-2008 03:36 AM

Moon starts.
Start the game with D.
Moon brings that.
He compliments our big time scorers.
Parker, Bosh, Bargs.
Hes getting out of the slump, just a few more games.


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