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Old 01-29-2010, 11:51 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Year in and year out we see the top teams in the NBA all in the Luxury Tax

My question to you guys is: Can this team ever win the title without going into the Luxury Tax?

I'm sure its possible but not likely... MLSE needs to give BC the go ahead!

Top 5 teams in the West are all in the tax:

1. L.A. Lakers
2. Denver
3. Dallas
4. Utah
5. San Antonio

Same with the East, all except for Toronto:

1. Cleveland
2. Boston
3. Atlanta
4. Orlando
5. Toronto
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Old 01-29-2010, 11:56 AM   #2 (permalink)
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To win a title, yes. Is that this year, no.
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Old 01-29-2010, 12:02 PM   #3 (permalink)
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We know that Toronto tends to have difficulties when it come to recruiting free agents. In order to win a title in the forseeable future, I think that Bosh needs to stay, our young players have to continue to improve and we'll need to be able to sign a solid free agent or two...which unfortunately means paying them more than they'll get elsewhere.

We've got Turk making 10+ per year, AB making 10, and if Bosh does come back he'll be in the 18 mil range. It will be awfully difficult to improve the team without hitting the luxury tax threshold especially considering it's likely to drop.
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if Bosh re-signs, we can't sign anyone but exceptions since we will be over the cap. so dreams of overpaying free agents will not get us any true stars of any kind.

but an increase in bosh's salary + a re-signing of amir (and maybe wright) + an MLE player will undoubtedly put us in the lux tax range by several million $. this is what colangelo has been talking about all along in terms of mlse's committment to spend money if the time is right.

and then banks will help pull us back down to earth when he expires the following year.
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Old 01-29-2010, 12:07 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Year in and year out we see the top teams in the NBA all in the Luxury Tax

My question to you guys is: Can this team ever win the title without going into the Luxury Tax?

I'm sure its possible but not likely... MLSE needs to give BC the go ahead!

Top 5 teams in the West are all in the tax:

1. L.A. Lakers
2. Denver
3. Dallas
4. Utah
5. San Antonio

Same with the East, all except for Toronto:

1. Cleveland
2. Boston
3. Atlanta
4. Orlando
5. Toronto

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You can't put Toronto in this category. Those team get major tv time/revenue from abc sports/tnt/espn. I don't think the Raptors get too much tv revenue from TSN/the Score and CTV. Also, imagine how much revenue these teams get selling merchandise (Kobe's jerseys, Carmelo jerseys, Lebron jerseys, Howard Jerseys) etc.

The bigger the revenue, the more expenses/salary the team can take.
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Old 01-29-2010, 12:08 PM   #6 (permalink)
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lol its amazing how, we're still ranked at 5th even without the luxury tax
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If the Raps could pick up Iggy or Butler without giving up a starter - maybe that would push them into "elite" status.

I'd love to see Nocioni at back-up SF - only real hole left. But Raps couldn't give much for him. And its probably not enough to become "elite".

Any improvements = Luxury tax (if not this year, next year for sure)
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Old 01-29-2010, 12:10 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Yep, we get almost zero exposure in America where the market counts. RAPMAN has a very good point, unless we get a retarded amount of exposure it wont happen. Maybe conference finals.
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if Bosh re-signs, we can't sign anyone but exceptions since we will be over the cap. so dreams of overpaying free agents will not get us any true stars of any kind.

but an increase in bosh's salary + a re-signing of amir (and maybe wright) + an MLE player will undoubtedly put us in the lux tax range by several million $. this is what colangelo has been talking about all along in terms of mlse's committment to spend money if the time is right.

and then banks will help pull us back down to earth when he expires the following year.
I didn't necessarily mean an outright free agent. It's always possible that they trade for an expiring, acquire his bird rights, and then over pay to have him re-sign.

You are right though, if Amir and Wright re-sign and another player is added by way of the MLE then we'll already be in tax territory...assuming that Bosh re-signs.
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You can't put Toronto in this category. Those team get major tv time/revenue from abc sports/tnt/espn. I don't think the Raptors get too much tv revenue from TSN/the Score and CTV. Also, imagine how much revenue these teams get selling merchandise (Kobe's jerseys, Carmelo jerseys, Lebron jerseys, Howard Jerseys) etc.

The bigger the revenue, the more expenses/salary the team can take.
Utah and Atlanta get alot of revenue from selling merchandise?

You think?
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If the Raps could pick up Iggy or Butler without giving up a starter - maybe that would push them into "elite" status.

I'd love to see Nocioni at back-up SF - only real hole left. But Raps couldn't give much for him. And its probably not enough to become "elite".

Any improvements = Luxury tax (if not this year, next year for sure)
I'm sure the Kings would give him up for a cup of coffee and two donuts.

His contract is not helping them in anyway. Banks + POB for Noc or something I'm pretty sure they'd do it for the cap relief unless they can get an expiring somewhere
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The Hawks are below the tax, and Utah is barely above it.

MLSE will need to go over the tax threshold if they want to win a championship, but that won't be this year.
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The Hawks are below the tax, and Utah is barely above it.

MLSE will need to go over the tax threshold if they want to win a championship, but that won't be this year.
Utah are also making moves to shed salary. Harpring plus Maynor to OKC for instance.
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Here is a list of top selling jerseys and NBA team jerseys since the start of the 2009-10 NBA season.


MOST POPULAR NBA PLAYER JERSEYS

1) Kobe Bryant
2) LeBron James
3) Dwight Howard
4) Derrick Rose
5) Dwyane Wade
6) Kevin Garnett
7) Chris Paul
8) Paul Pierce
9) Shaquille O'Neal
10) Pau Gasol
11) Carmelo Anthony
12) Steve Nash
13) David Lee
14) Allen Iverson
15) Kevin Durant

MOST POPULAR NBA TEAM JERSEYS

1) Los Angeles Lakers
2) Boston Celtics
3) Cleveland Cavaliers
4) New York Knicks
5) Chicago Bulls
6) Orlando Magic
7) Denver Nuggets
8) Miami Heat
9) San Antonio Spurs
10) Phoenix Suns

Basketball jerseys - InsideHoops.com
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Here is a list of top selling jerseys and NBA team jerseys since the start of the 2009-10 NBA season.


MOST POPULAR NBA PLAYER JERSEYS

13) David Lee

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WTF? really...

And Bosh isnt even on that list...
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really if we make it past the first round this year, then i think BC will get the go ahead to resign bosh, bring in the final big piece and go big or go home
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WTF? really...

And Bosh isnt even on that list...
Thats what I'm saying. It will be hard for the Raptors to compete and go over the luxury tax, since those team that go over the threshold have tv revenue and merchandise sales to help pay the bills. Not to mention all the money they get by getting deep in the playoffs. Also, we don't have owners like Cuban and Paul Allen who are willing to lose money to buy a championship.
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You can't put Toronto in this category. Those team get major tv time/revenue from abc sports/tnt/espn. I don't think the Raptors get too much tv revenue from TSN/the Score and CTV. Also, imagine how much revenue these teams get selling merchandise (Kobe's jerseys, Carmelo jerseys, Lebron jerseys, Howard Jerseys) etc.

The bigger the revenue, the more expenses/salary the team can take.
TV revenue and merchandise is shared amongst all NBA teams
only local television revenue and gate receipts are not shared as of now, but could change in the future

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Old 01-29-2010, 02:00 PM   #19 (permalink)
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we are one of the most profitable teams in the league - that's not the issue
The main problem is that when you ask MLSE to give a guy 10 millon salary AND pay another 10 million in tax (basically a MAX contract), you must have a very strong argument that that move will get you close to a title.

If we keep playing well, and we prove we are a piece away, I have no doubt MLSE will spend, especially that they're desperate to have some success on any type of court
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We should play this year out and see how it goes. If we are in about the top 4 and can make it to the second round then MLSE should def go into the lux tax because with one good player we might become a better team
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