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jeffb 04-12-2011 11:06 PM

MLSE looking dysfunctional
 
I would say give him a 3yr deal with the final year being a team option. Two more seasons would give him enough time to get this turned around or not?


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So take heart, fans: Sneaker orders, laundry stains, reservations at the Ritz-Carlton — they’re all in expert hands. And as for the draft, free agency, the groundwork of the off-season trade that will find Andrea Bargnani a new home (or so frustrated supporters can only hope) — who’ll exactly be in charge of all those matters is a trickier question that prompts “they’re-mucking-it-up-again” chuckles around the league. Colangelo, who refused comment on his contractual status, is proceeding the only way he can: As though he’ll be around beyond this season, even though he can’t say he will be.

“Looks dysfunctional,” is the way one rival NBA executive assessed Toronto’s current state of affairs.

“Cruel,” is how another NBA source termed it. Indeed, with the possibility of a lockout looming this summer, this figures to be a difficult off-season for out-of-work executives and coaches and scouts.
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There are solid arguments for and against keeping Colangelo, and there’s something to be said for the fact that, with the NBA playoff tournament set to begin without a Canadian entrant for the third straight spring, the GM’s extension hasn’t been promptly rubber-stamped by an ownership group with a reputation for not paying enough attention to its sporting products. Still, if the pension plan was seriously considering cutting loose the GM, it should have begun seeking his replacement long ago. Sources say there is no such search in progress. And considering a critical draft looms in little more than two months, there’s a common-sense escape to the current morass.

Offering Colangelo a short-term extension — say, a two-year deal that’s only partially guaranteed — would be a logical course. In some ways it would be a humbling dose of reality for Colangelo to digest; it would be a prove-it-to-us contract for an NBA GM with two decades of experience who has twice been named the league’s executive of the year. But given the swirling circumstance, it’s hard to imagine Colangelo not agreeing to something of its sort. It wouldn’t hurt that Colangelo’s acceptance of such an agreement would surely come with a knowing handshake from Tanenbaum; a better deal could be in Colangelo’s near-term future, in other words, should the chairman, who holds first right of refusal on the Teachers’ shares, emerge from the pending sale tossing around more weight than his current 20.5 per cent stake allows.

Feschuk: Contract status clouds picture in Raptors? front office - thestar.com

DSWC 04-12-2011 11:10 PM

dysfunctional...but yes.

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But given the swirling circumstance, it’s hard to imagine Colangelo not agreeing to something of its sort.
Uhhhm, NO WAY BC accepts a two year contract, especially if it's not fully guaranteed. Feschuk has no idea what he's talking about, and BC could just as easily walk, and accept a 4 year deal somewhere else.

A 2 year non-guaranteed deal is wishful thinking - to put it mildly. You either want BC to finish what he has started (the rebuild), without making him change course mid-stream, and trying to expedite the process, or you go after somebody else. A 2 year non-guaranteed deal will not get it done.

pzabby 04-12-2011 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by DSWC (Post 529686)
dysfunctional...but yes.



Uhhhm, NO WAY BC accepts a two year contract, especially if it's not fully guaranteed. Feschuk has no idea what he's talking about, and BC could just as easily walk, and accept a 4 year deal somewhere else.

A 2 year non-guaranteed deal is wishful thinking - to put it mildly. You either want BC to finish what he has started (the rebuild), without making him change course mid-stream, and trying to expedite the process, or you go after somebody else. A 2 year non-guaranteed deal will not get it done.

i wouldve agreed with you last year but after how his handling of bosh, i dont think his stock is as high as most on this forum believe it is

jeffb 04-12-2011 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DSWC (Post 529686)
dysfunctional...but yes.



Uhhhm, NO WAY BC accepts a two year contract, especially if it's not fully guaranteed. Feschuk has no idea what he's talking about, and BC could just as easily walk, and accept a 4 year deal somewhere else.

A 2 year non-guaranteed deal is wishful thinking - to put it mildly. You either want BC to finish what he has started (the rebuild), without making him change course mid-stream, and trying to expedite the process, or you go after somebody else. A 2 year non-guaranteed deal will not get it done.

I have to agree. I would say a 2yr guaranteed with a 3rd year option might be something he'd be interested in. And with his confidence i'd say he's confident he'd stay here 3yrs and then get an extension. I think 3yrs guaranteed would pretty much keep him here, but if he's looking for a raise that could be the issue.

jeffb 04-12-2011 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 529688)
i wouldve agreed with you last year but after how his handling of bosh, i dont think his stock is as high as most on this forum believe it is

Please, his reputation is still strong and he'd be employed within a month of leaving town.

FoldedLaundry 04-12-2011 11:22 PM

Let him finish what he started

pzabby 04-12-2011 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 529690)
Please, his reputation is still strong and he'd be employed within a month of leaving town.

you'd be surprised consider what the utah and denver gm's were able to get out of their players. i like the guy, im just saying other teams wont necessarily think hes god

jeffb 04-12-2011 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by FoldedLaundry (Post 529692)
Let him finish what he started

+1

And with the young core we currently have and a high pick coming the future looks promosing imo. Add to that, who are they gonna replace him with? They seem unprepared to replace him him with anyone, let alone anyone suitable. It would be our luck that Colangelo says fuck you when an offer is made because of the lack of term (contract) or because they just simply pissed their time away and took too long and then they'd have to scramble to try and replace him and we'd get Gherardini or some Babcock clone.

FoldedLaundry 04-12-2011 11:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 529694)
+1

And with the young core we currently have and a high pick coming the future looks promosing imo. Add to that, who are they gonna replace him with? They seem unprepared to replace him him with anyone, let alone anyone suitable. It would be our luck that Colangelo says fuck you when an offer is made because of the lack of term (contract) or because they just simply pissed their time away and took too long and then they'd have to scramble to try and replace him and we'd get Gherardini or some Babcock clone.

Totally agree, if BC wasn't on their mind they would have found a replacement long ago. And right now who would MLSE want if they don't want BC? Our future looks bright and I'd like to see BC finish what he has started with this team. To me, it seems like a blank slate for him right now.

LX 04-13-2011 06:37 AM

2 years sounds about right. If he walks he walks. I would think it would work for him though. How long does he want to be committed to a dysfunctional franchise? 2 years would be a good timeframe for seeing what happens with ownership.

carp 04-13-2011 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by pzabby (Post 529693)
you'd be surprised consider what the utah and denver gm's were able to get out of their players. i like the guy, im just saying other teams wont necessarily think hes god

Let's be clear.... Utah wouldn't have even thought to move Deron had Bosh and Lebron both stayed on their respective teams... Carmelo's NY hype train gained steam from the Miami debacle too. Yes Colangelo should have traded Bosh, but comparing the handling of Bosh to Utah and Denver's situations is somewhat misleading.

Not only that, but Denver's Ujiri had intimate experience from the Bosh situation to better handle the Melo issue. Melo told Ujiri he wanted out... Bosh never expressed such desires to management.

Just a little perspective.... so as to not mislead us RF readers.

RAPMAN 04-13-2011 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by carp (Post 529726)
Let's be clear.... Utah wouldn't have even thought to move Deron had Bosh and Lebron both stayed on their respective teams... Carmelo's NY hype train gained steam from the Miami debacle too. Yes Colangelo should have traded Bosh, but comparing the handling of Bosh to Utah and Denver's situations is somewhat misleading.

Not only that, but Denver's Ujiri had intimate experience from the Bosh situation to better handle the Melo issue. Melo told Ujiri he wanted out... Bosh never expressed such desires to management.

Just a little perspective.... so as to not mislead us RF readers.

Very good analysis CARP!! You can really bring up some good points when you are not trying to defend the "King of Soft." Yes Denver and Utah did learn from the debacle of Toronto and Houston, and did some great moves for preventive measures. However in the summer of 2010, NJ did offer a similiar package to CLE for Lebron. Maybe NJ doesn't do the same for Bosh, but Houston was offering up almost everything for Bosh. Scola, Aaron Brooks, Kevin Martin or the draft rights to Avery Bradley would have looked really good in a Raps uniform. BC gambled and struck out. Now Toronto has trade exceptions that will expire in the summer.

jeffb 04-13-2011 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by RAPMAN (Post 529729)
Very good analysis CARP!! You can really bring up some good points when you are not trying to defend the "King of Soft." Yes Denver and Utah did learn from the debacle of Toronto and Houston, and did some great moves for preventive measures. However in the summer of 2010, NJ did offer a similiar package to CLE for Lebron. Maybe NJ doesn't do the same for Bosh, but Houston was offering up almost everything for Bosh. Scola, Aaron Brooks, Kevin Martin or the draft rights to Avery Bradley would have looked really good in a Raps uniform. BC gambled and struck out. Now Toronto has trade exceptions that will expire in the summer.

Houston was offering those players last summer as a S&T and Bosh didn't want to go there, no? I don't remember Houston offering up half their roster before that. Plus it couldn't happen even if BC wanted to unless Bosh signed an extension with Houston.

RAPMAN 04-13-2011 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 529731)
Houston was offering those players last summer as a S&T and Bosh didn't want to go there, no? I don't remember Houston offering up half their roster before that. Plus it couldn't happen even if BC wanted to unless Bosh signed an extension with Houston.

Marc Stein of ESPN was reporting about the potential trade to Houston before the trade deadline. Other teams such as Portland and Golden State were in the mix. Stein reported that teams were willing to gamble with a chance to sign Bosh in the summer.

LX 04-13-2011 11:56 AM

The Spurs wanted to make a deal for Bosh, but had to settle for going after RJ.

archie63 04-13-2011 12:02 PM

Are you all sure BC wants to stay here?

LX 04-13-2011 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by archie63 (Post 529741)
Are you all sure BC wants to stay here?

not really. I'm not sure of anything. This franchise is one enormous question mark, and with transactions involving such enterprises often taking a long time to get done and finalized, the questions are just going to get bigger and uglier. I just hope that the process of changing ownership has been underway in some form for some time already, and that it can be sped up from here. But I also worry that Tannenbaum's right to make a counteroffer has already slowed initial interest.

Superjudge 04-13-2011 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by archie63 (Post 529741)
Are you all sure BC wants to stay here?

Yep.

FoldedLaundry 04-13-2011 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by archie63 (Post 529741)
Are you all sure BC wants to stay here?

Well he did say he wanted to stay here and complete the rebuild/retool process

raptorchick 04-13-2011 01:14 PM

Jerry Sloan wants to coach again. I bet NYK takes a look at him but maybe, just maybe, he'd think about the Raps, especially a retooled Raps team with a franchise PG Irving and without Bargnani.


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