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Old 01-03-2009, 02:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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wow, some of you guys can be really difficult. a

I've read alot of the threads in the past week, and some of you guys are a joke.

Bosh is not a franchise better? Who is? D12? Well didn't Bosh outplay him all summer?

Which team has more wins? Orlando, but they also have a really solid almost franchise player named Lewis, with Hedo playing out of his ass. Not to mention their PG is now a very very good one.

Their PG matches us, if not better at times, their guards kill ours, and I think our big guy is better than theirs, but they have a better team.


Who is a franchise player? T-Mac? What has he done? Yao? First round exists?

And is P.Gasol not a franchise player? He was an amazing player in Memphis, nobody gave a shit, that's why you didn't hear about it.

He is a franchise player, believe me. Just cause he isn't flashy, doesn't mean hes not good.

And AB is a bust????? I'm not posting this cause we won tonight, I'm posting this, cause I'm disappointed.

The game Vs. Denver, what happens? AB goes off in the 1st half, and nobody even feeds him anymore in the second, just like the last game of the NJ series, Jose is good, but sometimes he needs to get his head out of his ass.

Somebody needs to tell Jamario NOT TO SHOOT THE THREE. I KNOW YOU CAN MAKE IT, BUT EVERYONE CAN, STOP SHOOTING IT. Jose feeding ball to Jamario, means shoot it, and chances are Jamario is the 5th best shooter on the floor, and that's all management.

The PG's job isn't just assists, but its DIRECTING the game, Jose doesn't always do it.

Don't even get me started on fast breaks. I think I read somewhere about his turnover phobia, and thats so true.

When I used to play, on 2 on 1 or 3 on 1s, I would pull up a 3, expecting my guys would be able to box out the defender if I missed. My coach never got pissed. In fast breaks, you can make mistakes, cause chances are that you have the man advantage. and maybe a trailer coming on...take it to the fucking basket, shoot it, do something before they all come back.

Hes getting better, Ive noticed it, but jesus! took him long enough.

Jake, is a great player, Denver game, their PG, West was it? started roughing up Jose, 1st play Jake comes in, trips their PG, he falls, Jose gets a wide open 3, 2 plays later, Jake sets an elbow out screen, smashes the dude, and trust me, he felt it.

he didn't over play jose the entire fucking game.

we need that.


now going back to my point, AB is special. He might not develop, but he has the potential to become an amazing player, and I wouldn't give up on him, not for another 3 years.

It takes a good 5,6 years for big men to become NBA ready, look no further than JO. Or Dirk? While I know many dont, AB has the talent and the skills, he has a great chance to make it.

Under Jay, the team is playing better, and I don't care what the record it.

We play harder, and that last game, where he burnt a time out and just sat, i was like "about fucking time"

as a coach, you can only do so much, either bench the player, or yell at him.

benching the way Sam used to it, wears a player out, like Joey, takes away the confidence. Some respond, like AB.

the yelling and making a case can be a powerful tool, what Jay did was even better, he made the players feel like shit.

We lost that game, but the team grew, I saw it.

And JK is a solid defender, you just don't see it.

He is as slow as fuck, but as a team defender, he is rock solid. He is 938093809380 times better than Jose, and I love Jose.

So, all you guys that think you understand basketball and the game, just think about it, putting up the points that Chris does, is amazing.

Chris is 3080398930 times more of a franchise player than VC ever was, and thats not cause I hate VC, but because Chris cares. To VC this was a job, to Chris, this is a passion. That to me means franchise.

I think in the VC era, JYD was our franchise player, he worked his ass off, with limited skills, and only wanted the team to win, thats franchise.

its not about scoring 30 a night, its about winning. Look at Kobe and the Lakers.

OK, I'm a little grumpy, but all my basketball friends are away and I needed to vent a bit.

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Old 01-03-2009, 02:39 AM   #2 (permalink)
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wow, some of you guys are complete idiots and I mean it in the nicest possible way.
You may be right, but let's try to eliminate the name calling (even if you mean it in the nicest possible way). The name calling has brought on some issues lately, so please don't.

Outside of that, I think you raise a lot of good points here, especially around Bosh being a franchise player. At the start of the season, everybody was calling for him as MVP and now all of a sudden, he's not a franchise player and is trade bait? The ebb and flow of Raptor fans can be frustrating in the best of times, so right now, it is just amplified.
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Old 01-03-2009, 02:44 AM   #3 (permalink)
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You may be right, but let's try to eliminate the name calling (even if you mean it in the nicest possible way). The name calling has brought on some issues lately, so please don't.

Outside of that, I think you raise a lot of good points here, especially around Bosh being a franchise player. At the start of the season, everybody was calling for him as MVP and now all of a sudden, he's not a franchise player and is trade bait? The ebb and flow of Raptor fans can be frustrating in the best of times, so right now, it is just amplified.
You are 100% right, sorry I was just pissed off, and slowly calmed down as I wrote, just edited it.

The problem is that some guys just don't understand that the teams just come to stop Bosh, and he stills drops 20 and 10.

He IS THE OTHER TEAM'S GAME PLAN, and still drops that kinda numbers, thats amazing.

The problem is that we gotta alot of bandwagon fans, they swing like a....swing! (i was gonna use a sexist remark here)

not Doug, the other one at the star writes some shit, and they all jump on it.

Trade Bosh? are you crazy? The guy is a super star.
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Old 01-03-2009, 06:53 AM   #4 (permalink)
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lol i too am pissed with the Bosh trade talks.
it would be the stupidest thing to do even if we're doing bad.
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Old 01-03-2009, 11:39 AM   #5 (permalink)
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Aside from the part where you slag Jose, and ahem, somehow see Kapono as a better team defender, I guess the post was ok.



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Old 01-03-2009, 01:45 PM   #7 (permalink)
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Bosh being > D12 is a joke. Lewis is the 3rd best player on that team (maybe 4th) and you call him franchise?
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Old 01-03-2009, 05:53 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Bosh being > D12 is a joke. Lewis is the 3rd best player on that team (maybe 4th) and you call him franchise?
Bosh=Dwight, their equal i think.
dwight is just huge and has post moves, thats it.
hes just a more athletic version of shaq imo, he doesn't even have a jumper and can't hit free throws for his life.
only thing Dwight has on Bosh is the defense, Bosh has the offense.
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Bosh=Dwight, their equal i think.
dwight is just huge and has post moves, thats it.
hes just a more athletic version of shaq imo, he doesn't even have a jumper and can't hit free throws for his life.
only thing Dwight has on Bosh is the defense, Bosh has the offense.
+1

Dwight has not range other then under the rim.
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Old 01-03-2009, 11:55 PM   #10 (permalink)
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Wait, wait, they are equal?? You believe this?? Dwight is a C and Bosh is a PF, Dwight is the best C in the league, Bosh cant even start at PF in the allstar game, wow im going nuts, they are equal? You dont need a C to hit long jumpers if he dominates inside and grabs you 14 boards a game averagely.

As far as Bosh outplaying D12, i dunno, D12 was still the starter, but in the watered down Olympics you dont need a true C like you do in the NBA, and late in games having a guy that can shoot FT's is very useful. But noway in hell you can compare them as C's and say they are equal or Bosh is better.
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Wait, wait, they are equal?? You believe this?? Dwight is a C and Bosh is a PF, Dwight is the best C in the league, Bosh cant even start at PF in the allstar game, wow im going nuts, they are equal? You dont need a C to hit long jumpers if he dominates inside and grabs you 14 boards a game averagely.

As far as Bosh outplaying D12, i dunno, D12 was still the starter, but in the watered down Olympics you dont need a true C like you do in the NBA, and late in games having a guy that can shoot FT's is very useful. But noway in hell you can compare them as C's and say they are equal or Bosh is better.
C'mon, didn't you hear? Dwight's nothing...basically just a more of athletic version of Shaq...you know Shaq? One of the most dominant players ever.
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It takes a good 5,6 years for big men to become NBA ready, look no further than JO. Or Dirk?
Are you saying Dirk took 5-6 years to become NBA ready? Who told you that lie.

Dirk's 2nd season:
17.5 PPG
6.4 RPG
2.5 APG
46.1% FG
37.9% 3s
83.0% FT
4.2 FTA/game

Dirk's 3rd season:
21.8 PPG
9.2 RPG
2.1 APG
47.4% FG
38.7% 3s
83.3% FT
6.6 FTA/game
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Old 01-04-2009, 09:29 AM   #13 (permalink)
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1. As far as Bosh outplaying D12, i dunno, D12 was still the starter, but in the watered down Olympics you dont need a true C like you do in the NBA, and late in games having a guy that can shoot FT's is very useful.

2. But noway in hell you can compare them as C's and say they are equal or Bosh is better.
1. Wrong, FIBA bb is more phisical, read the US players what they said about it. If you yet don't think so, just think about no 3 seconds violation calls in the defensive end, there is more contact allowed and court is smaller.

2. Bosh just played better than DH. It's him a better C? No. It's him a more complete player? Sure.

I had liked watch both of them at the same time on the court though, think that it had been the best for their team's performance.
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Aside from the part where you slag Jose, and ahem, somehow see Kapono as a better team defender, I guess the post was ok.



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RapMan99, I am surprised with those Dirk stats, I think I got it wrong on that, I'll double check, but I'm right on JO? You gotta give me that.

and btw, D12 is the beasttttttttttt!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1111111111111111! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111111111!!!!!!!!!!!!!11111111 1111!!!!!!!!!!!!


he is a MUCH better player than Bosh, hes the franchise! yayyyyyyyyyyyy

if only he could knock down free throws!


and that Bustgani guy...hes shit...burn him!


SJ, I still think Jose should avoid some mistakes, and run the fast break better, did you see the Roko 3on2? that was a risk, but often times it will work out. And also, did you see that two threes that Jamario took, out of offense? that should NEVER happen.

if I was playing, I would RUSH to Jamario and demand the ball back, instead of him making a three...stupid three..
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I send JO to the bench WAY before I ever play Bosh at the 3.

You don't move your franchise guy out of his position to accomodate a grizzled vet.
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I send JO to the bench WAY before I ever play Bosh at the 3.

You don't move your franchise guy out of his position to accomodate a grizzled vet.
JO off the bench? I don't know man, hes our best center, by a mile.

besides, Bosh is no franchise player, hes a 2nd or 3rd best player on a good team, AT BEST!
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I send JO to the bench WAY before I ever play Bosh at the 3.

You don't move your franchise guy out of his position to accomodate a grizzled vet.
Exactly and moving Bosh to the three probably gives him more thought to chuck up a 3 ball.
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Exactly and moving Bosh to the three probably gives him more thought to chuck up a 3 ball.
I don't know man, I think he can take anyone @ the three. He is quick enough, and too long for them all, ISO Bosh and nobody can really stop him, I would be more worried on the D side of things, I think it would be interesting to at least try it.
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JO off the bench? I don't know man, hes our best center, by a mile.

besides, Bosh is no franchise player, hes a 2nd or 3rd best player on a good team, AT BEST!
Lol... there's not a team in the league that he'd be "3rd best" on.

And if you can find me another player who gets 24 + 10 and is NOT a franchise player I'll sing your praises for a week.

Don't tell me that you're still expecting Bosh to avg. 30 + 20 in order to live up to that "franchise" status.

C'mon man.... you know ball better than that.
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The reality is D12 may be better than CB4 because D12 is a freaking big athlete who plays Center but the difference is really very small. Saying this, I still think CB4 basketball IQ is higher than D12 bball IQ. D12 develops slower than CB4, but he is gifted with a great body which gives him a huge advantage.

Who is a better franchise player? It really doesn't matter, both of them are young, any GM will like to have them build around, they are talented and willing to work hard to improve. One night, D12 will outplay CB4, other night CB4 will outplay D12.
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