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Old 04-23-2011, 11:38 AM   #21 (permalink)
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in 35 min a game the guy averaged 5 rebounds. He deserves all the shit that has been, and will continue to get his way until he smartens up. 22 ppg doesn't matter when there is no defense or rebounding involved.
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Old 04-23-2011, 11:40 AM   #22 (permalink)
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theres a reason why he got a 50/5 deal.....hes one dimensional
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Old 04-23-2011, 12:17 PM   #23 (permalink)
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I peomised myself i won't comment on Bargs anymore, just want to say that Messina besides being a great coach os the most unpleasant and assuming person i know
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Old 04-24-2011, 04:07 AM   #24 (permalink)
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I suspect that all of this Barg hate, and now w/Messina (from several of you on here) is because they're Italian...?!?

Watching NOLA v's LA...whenever Belinelli makes a big basket, cheerleaders run around the sideline with huge Italian flags

Why all this hate for bargs? everyone ..above talent.. Partif success is also being in the best position possible to be successful ...

He's mostlikely staying... And We'll need a true center.. To the Barg haters...you can always watch the Leafs instead!!
i'll put things a little less harshly for you, barg is a very talented player who could fit better at another team. But come on man, number 1 pick who has certainly been given time to make it in toronto? it hasn't worked has it? surely you can see that? And isn't it disappointing a number 1 pick has not been able to learn and adapt and improve?

if we're going to play a basically run and gun style we at least need a gritty C who will box out and pull down boards. If we had that the other 4 could develop their defensive game around that, it would be better for the team.

telling us to go watch hockey coz we think 1 player should be traded? that was silly. the real question is, will you still support us if the italian leaves us!?
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Old 04-24-2011, 09:11 AM   #25 (permalink)
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Moving Bargs is probably what needs to happen if BC can't find a center. I'm still not sold on Bargs being a starter on a great team. If he can hustle and fight on both ends of the court, then even his short comings could be tolerated. 6th man and one dimensional players is probably where he will be ... Hope I'm wrong. He has talent to be much more ...
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Old 04-24-2011, 11:24 AM   #26 (permalink)
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theres a reason why he got a 50/5 deal.....hes one dimensional
well to be fair, he did get that deal before he averaged the 22 ppg...maybe his price would have been higher now
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Old 04-24-2011, 01:14 PM   #27 (permalink)
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I don't dislike Bargs because he is a italian. I dislike him because his concept of his self is so completely disconnected from reality. To put things in perspective Andrea is third in the league for mins, behind Howard and Jefferson. In those 36 mins a game he has put up some pretty impressive offensive stats, defensively (and keep in mind this is just centers) he ranks 34th in rebounds, 35th in double-doubles, steals and blocks he ranks in the twentys until you look at his out put per 48 mins. He then drops to 66th in steals and 77th in blocks. He is 39th in fouls given. Alabi and Ajinca in there combined 12-15 mins have more of an effect on the game defensively then Andrea does in his 36. Messina may think that BC is bringing down his own asset, with his comments. though I am pretty sure any GM is going to take the 15 mins I just did to review his stats. No one wants this type of player, not for 10 mill a year.
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Old 04-25-2011, 04:45 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Messina, who's never coached in the NBA, sure has an ego! I guess he would be shocked to find out that Bargnani was actually the laughing stock of the league just a couple seasons ago. He should go and see what professional NBA writers have written about Bargs for the last 5 years, and then compare that to Colangelo's measured evaluation of his asset.

I agree that people can go overboard on the Bargnani hate, and he's certainly a talented offensive player, but, as others have said, he's a flawed player, a crappy rebounder and a shitty weakside/help defender.
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Old 05-02-2011, 02:57 PM   #29 (permalink)
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well Messina is one of hte most respected coaches out there, and a great defensive coach, so he knows Bargs, but he can't comment ona situation that he isn't apart of on a day to day operation, I'm sure after a month he would have the same type of comments about Bargs if he coached here

but BC is the guy who drafted him, developed his game to what it is today, stuck behind him when Mitchell didn't want to play him, help him get his game back in the 3rd season, and allowed him to get better while taking hits from media for drafting him,

if BC isn't re-hired you can blame Andrea for that
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Old 05-02-2011, 03:05 PM   #30 (permalink)
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Oh give it a rest will ya. Seriously, Bargnani has been given a ton of patience by the fans in this city. But at some point he needs to quit shitting the bed. Have you ever thought that you defend him so much just b/c he's italian. Don't be so sensitive, people turning on him has fuck all to do with his heritage and moreso with his shortcomings as a basketball player and with his overall effort not to mention his stupid comments on how he puts more effort on his offense while not having the stones to improve defensively or get his schnoz the slightest bit dirty. He can go fuck himself whatever nationality he is. Just like Hedo last season......which again had fuck all with where he's from. They're both lazy, therefore fall out of favor here.
wow harsh comparing him to Hedo, must have been a very good Hedo this year 21 PPG 5 RB

last year he was one of our most reliable players and big reason why we won 40 games,

you can say what you want say about Bargs some of truth on defense but he never dogged it like Turk in Toronto, Turk was epic, if Turk played we would have been a 50 win team with Bargs as a second option and Turk as the 3rd
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Old 05-02-2011, 03:15 PM   #31 (permalink)
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wow harsh comparing him to Hedo, must have been a very good Hedo this year 21 PPG 5 RB

last year he was one of our most reliable players and big reason why we won 40 games,

you can say what you want say about Bargs some of truth on defense but he never dogged it like Turk in Toronto, Turk was epic, if Turk played we would have been a 50 win team with Bargs as a second option and Turk as the 3rd
Well he does dog it, just not AS MUCH as Turkoglu. Bargnani likes to score so he works on that. He doesn't put much importance on defense.....therefor he dogs it in that area. Bargnani does what he wants and works on what he wants.

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Old 05-02-2011, 08:31 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Career rebounding/G avg's:

Jason Kidd - PG - 6'4", 210lbs.: 6.4
Andreas Bargnani - C - 7'0", 250 lbs.: 4.9
Russell Westbrook - PG - 6'3", 191 lbs.: 4.8
Chris Paul - PG - 6'0", 175 lbs.: 4.6
John Wall - PG - 6'4", 195 lbs.: 4.6

Isn't it kind of embarrassing when guys that are 8"'s to a foot shorter than you are rebounding better or at least almost as well as you are?
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Old 05-02-2011, 09:44 PM   #33 (permalink)
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^ LMAO so true
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Old 05-02-2011, 09:47 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Just to add, Rajon Rondo- one of the shortest and lightest players in the league- averages 4.4 rebounds in his career.
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Old 05-02-2011, 10:45 PM   #35 (permalink)
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Just to add, Rajon Rondo- one of the shortest and lightest players in the league- averages 4.4 rebounds in his career.
he's also one of the quickest... so it kind of makes sense. Our guards should rebound more.....
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Old 05-02-2011, 10:57 PM   #36 (permalink)
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No shit Sherlocks, Bargs can't rebound. Wanna mystery you just solved...
By the way, You should do rebounds per minute, cause Bargs averaging less minutes than these guys. So, I guess it's a little less embarrassing...
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No shit Sherlocks, Bargs can't rebound. Wanna mystery you just solved...
By the way, You should do rebounds per minute, cause Bargs averaging less minutes than these guys. So, I guess it's a little less embarrassing...
everyone on that list are PGs and i think we can all agree that bargnani's position on defence puts him in a better place to get rebounds then those PGs. the percentage of the ball falling in his lap if he just boxed out would be greater
so, thats more embarassing...
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Old 05-03-2011, 11:21 AM   #38 (permalink)
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No shit Sherlocks, Bargs can't rebound. Wanna mystery you just solved...
By the way, You should do rebounds per minute, cause Bargs averaging less minutes than these guys.
Jason Kidd - 33.9mpg
Andreas Bargnani -35.7mpg
Russell Westbrook - 36.5mpg
Chris Paul - 36mpg
John Wall - 37.8mpg
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Old 05-03-2011, 11:32 AM   #39 (permalink)
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Bargnani has a scorer's mentality. You see it out on the court. He loves scoring and really you DO need guys like that on your team.

That being said, when this team has so many holes to fill, coupled with the expectaions of being the first overall pick along with play a position where our expecations are different, then well, you get what you're seeing from the fans.

He's ideally suited to come off the bench, but I don't know if that would work here as he seems to get disinterested a bit. He's such an enigma.
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Old 05-03-2011, 11:41 AM   #40 (permalink)
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No shit Sherlocks, Bargs can't rebound. Wanna mystery you just solved...
By the way, You should do rebounds per minute, cause Bargs averaging less minutes than these guys. So, I guess it's a little less embarrassing...
It's actually 'Sherlock'.....
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