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Old 03-13-2011, 10:36 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Well, you had two guys in Calderon and Turk that NEEDED the ball to be effective. And I disagree Turk + Bosh would have been lethal, it would definitely cause match up problems on the offensive end, but the RAPS would still get torched on the defensive end like they did last season because there is no DWIGHT HOWARD on the RAPS roster to cover up the deficiencies.
Yeah but Turk is more effective with the ball in his hands than Calderon. Look at Orlando's offence runed by Turkoglu, then look at Toronto's. Huge Difference. Im not sayin Calderon would be better off scoring, becaus yes hes better when he shares the rock. But if i was managing a team, i would want the ball in Turkoglu's hands more than Calderon. Dwight Howard is a one of a kind guy. Hes unreplacable. The Raptors can play defence, they just refuse not to. Look at Bargnani. All he does is stand there and let small guards blow rite past him in the paint. he could be a better defender if he just tries.
They would be lethal- Bosh and Turkoglu. Bosh is very hard for ppl to defend, and turkoglu givin him the rite touches would make our offense even more efficient. Im sure Turk can easily handle big guys, like hes showin in Orlando, so there would be no mathcup problems-none.
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Old 03-13-2011, 11:49 PM   #22 (permalink)
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I thought this thread was about JT?
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Old 03-14-2011, 02:38 AM   #23 (permalink)
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We were in the 5th spot before boshgate.
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Kinda got buried but not any less true.
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Old 03-14-2011, 04:18 AM   #24 (permalink)
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it's not Triano's fault he isn't given talented defenders to run a good D system around
I disagree. This is most athletic and defensive potential roster I've ever seen. Apart from Bargnani, everyone is very good. Even Calderon is doing much better.
The knock is on Triano for sure. Ever since Sam Mitchell was fired not only we sucked on D, but also there is very little accountability for mistakes. At least Smitch would bench you after a botched defensive assignment.
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Old 03-14-2011, 04:48 AM   #25 (permalink)
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I disagree. This is most athletic and defensive potential roster I've ever seen. Apart from Bargnani, everyone is very good. Even Calderon is doing much better.
The knock is on Triano for sure. Ever since Sam Mitchell was fired not only we sucked on D, but also there is very little accountability for mistakes. At least Smitch would bench you after a botched defensive assignment.
Potential doesn't translate to talent in short period of time. 99% of of the young player we have only really played 1 or 2 seasons. This team needs more time.
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Old 03-14-2011, 05:24 AM   #26 (permalink)
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I meant potential as in we've seen they can do it, ability is there, but its not used.
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Old 03-14-2011, 01:48 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Well you have to give them time to develop...
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Old 03-14-2011, 01:54 PM   #28 (permalink)
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next season will be better, rite?
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Old 03-14-2011, 01:56 PM   #29 (permalink)
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unless something miraculous happens, next season will be awful. 2012-13 is when i start hoping for a turnaround.
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Old 03-14-2011, 01:56 PM   #30 (permalink)
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next season will be better, rite?
I say we have 30 wins minimum next season (baring half the team doesn't get injured again. )
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Old 03-14-2011, 02:15 PM   #31 (permalink)
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This team lacks talent.
Effort can only take you so far.
So I'm reserving judgment on JT.
This season panned out as well as it could be expected.
What I want to see from coach Triano and company is that players like Demar and Ed Davis are being developed. Rather than an emphasis on winning games, put stock in a brighter future down the road.
Prior to this season he had two seasons and failed miserably with better talent. Last season we had guys openly questioning his decisions. If he started this season i'd say reserve judgement (well maybe not, i've disliked him from the start) but the fact is he's been the HC for nearly 3 seasons and i haven't seen anything that would come close to having me change my mind on him. I'd put him as one of the worst 3-5 coaches in the NBA.
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Old 03-14-2011, 02:42 PM   #32 (permalink)
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One thing about Triano is this team doesn't seem to have lingering locker room issues this year, there seems to be a positive, competitive feel to their approach, and we're seeing big jumps from several players. Triano seems to have this group fighting, and as a rebuilding team there isn't a pressing need to rush in a new coach that is going to earn a questionable image because of continued losing.... if you think we're going to start winning games quickly because of a new coach, I'd caution against that.

The jump between bad and good is a major one. Look at Philly as a team with plenty of young talent and how long it took. Those with good memory will also realize Atlanta being like that too. Indiana has been touted for several years and have yet to emerge. Milwaukee has experienced bumps. Point is let's not worry about the coaching while winning isn't the main goal, and what is seems to be occurring under Triano.
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Old 03-14-2011, 03:45 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Defense wins games in the NBA. Raptors being dead last in almost every defensive category the last two years proves this man can't teach defense. Can we have another year where we see Bargnani, Calderon, and Derozan not being held accountable at the defensive end, but get all the touches and playing time. Time to let Triano go!
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Old 03-14-2011, 11:03 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Yeah i just dont understand how all of a sudden, they showed no effort. I mean we had a real chance to do somethin in the playoffs. To show the world that the Raptors were a good team. Bosh even said, that he left TO because he improved and worked hard, yet nothing happened. If we had maybe went into the 2nd round, i guarantee Bosh would have been on our roster this season.
I actually think that we were over acheiving mid season, and then went back to normal. we started off badly last season, then went on a little run untill the all star break and then ended the season badly. I just don't think last years team deserves all the praise you're giving them. They were on track to be the WORST defensive team of ALL TIME

and IMO its for the best of this franchise that Bosh left. If he had stayed BC would be trying to build around him still and he proved us a lot of times that you can not build a winning team around Bosh as the main guy
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Old 03-15-2011, 02:57 AM   #35 (permalink)
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One thing about Triano is this team doesn't seem to have lingering locker room issues this year, there seems to be a positive, competitive feel to their approach, and we're seeing big jumps from several players. Triano seems to have this group fighting, and as a rebuilding team there isn't a pressing need to rush in a new coach that is going to earn a questionable image because of continued losing.... if you think we're going to start winning games quickly because of a new coach, I'd caution against that.

The jump between bad and good is a major one. Look at Philly as a team with plenty of young talent and how long it took. Those with good memory will also realize Atlanta being like that too. Indiana has been touted for several years and have yet to emerge. Milwaukee has experienced bumps. Point is let's not worry about the coaching while winning isn't the main goal, and what is seems to be occurring under Triano.
I disagree. If this team had a coach like Doug Collins I think we would notice a difference right away,and we would have at least 25 wins. We can score, we just don`t know how to play defense, because Triano has no idea how to teach it. We`re in almost every game, but our lack of defense kills us. Not mention he would probably make Andrea watch the game from the bench if his lazy ass doesnt play help defense, TRY to rebound, or at least box out his guy instead of watching while he tips the ball back in. Triano chokes on drawing up last minute plays, and his rotations are always horrible, and usually kill the flow of the game (like the other game when he benched Demar for almost the whole 2nd quarter when he scored like 8 straight in the first and lost his groove).

This team doesnt have a good coach because the ownership is too cheap to hire a better one. Hopefully the new owner will give a shit about winning.
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Old 03-15-2011, 03:25 AM   #36 (permalink)
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Old 03-15-2011, 02:14 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Yeah but Turk is more effective with the ball in his hands than Calderon. Look at Orlando's offence runed by Turkoglu, then look at Toronto's. Huge Difference. Im not sayin Calderon would be better off scoring, becaus yes hes better when he shares the rock. But if i was managing a team, i would want the ball in Turkoglu's hands more than Calderon. Dwight Howard is a one of a kind guy. Hes unreplacable. The Raptors can play defence, they just refuse not to. Look at Bargnani. All he does is stand there and let small guards blow rite past him in the paint. he could be a better defender if he just tries.
They would be lethal- Bosh and Turkoglu. Bosh is very hard for ppl to defend, and turkoglu givin him the rite touches would make our offense even more efficient. Im sure Turk can easily handle big guys, like hes showin in Orlando, so there would be no mathcup problems-none.
Orlando has Dwight fighting for position on every posession, oftentimes demanding double coverage. It's not surprising that Turk failed in both Toronto and Phoenix. Don't forget that! The only teams that Turk has been successful on have been San Antonio (one season off the bench) and Orlando.

Bosh does not play in the low post as often or aggressively as Dwight Howard. Dwight makes everyone on that team look much better because the defense has to collapse in on him every possession, so guys like Turkoglu and Nelson have so much more room to operate. For Turk in particular, the Orlando system makes him look great because he can just stand at the 3 point line and his 6'10 height gives him a great view of the court when he's receiving only single coverage and the D is sagging inwards on Dwight.
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Old 03-15-2011, 02:21 PM   #38 (permalink)
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I disagree. If this team had a coach like Doug Collins I think we would notice a difference right away,and we would have at least 25 wins. We can score, we just don`t know how to play defense, because Triano has no idea how to teach it. We`re in almost every game, but our lack of defense kills us. Not mention he would probably make Andrea watch the game from the bench if his lazy ass doesnt play help defense, TRY to rebound, or at least box out his guy instead of watching while he tips the ball back in. Triano chokes on drawing up last minute plays, and his rotations are always horrible, and usually kill the flow of the game (like the other game when he benched Demar for almost the whole 2nd quarter when he scored like 8 straight in the first and lost his groove).

This team doesnt have a good coach because the ownership is too cheap to hire a better one. Hopefully the new owner will give a shit about winning.
Doug Collins is probably the most overrated coach in NBA history, in the pantheon of overrated coaches along with Lenny Wilkins. He was awful in Chicago with Michael Jordan, he was pretty bad in Washington with a good team, and he's got a decent team in Philly (that started 3-13 by the way) around .500 . He's not a winning coach!!! He's like the poor man's Rick Adleman!

Collins has some good pieces in Philly in Brand, Iguodala, Jrue Holiday, Lou Williams and (although inconsistent) Thad Young. Despite that core, they're a .500 team. They're not really overachieving or underachieving at this point.
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We've had quite a few injuries this season that have screwed with our roster. When we were actually on a little streak, we had Kleiza, Weems and Evans playing significant minutes. All three went down with injury; Evans just came back and Weems is not the same post injury - nowhere near as aggressive and he's not attacking the basket like before.

In that time, we've tanked - yes, but we've also developed DeRozan and Davis significantly. Triano is doing exactly what he should be this season - not playing for wins but just for player development.


Plus - is 25 wins at this point really a good thing? He would get 7 more wins how? The traditional way is to bench the rooks and play the vets heavier minutes. We're basically playing for a draft pick and youth development at this point, and I'd argue that Triano is better at developing youth than Collins.

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Old 03-15-2011, 04:35 PM   #39 (permalink)
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Doug Collins is probably the most overrated coach in NBA history, in the pantheon of overrated coaches along with Lenny Wilkins. He was awful in Chicago with Michael Jordan, he was pretty bad in Washington with a good team, and he's got a decent team in Philly (that started 3-13 by the way) around .500 . He's not a winning coach!!! He's like the poor man's Rick Adleman!

Collins has some good pieces in Philly in Brand, Iguodala, Jrue Holiday, Lou Williams and (although inconsistent) Thad Young. Despite that core, they're a .500 team. They're not really overachieving or underachieving at this point.
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We've had quite a few injuries this season that have screwed with our roster. When we were actually on a little streak, we had Kleiza, Weems and Evans playing significant minutes. All three went down with injury; Evans just came back and Weems is not the same post injury - nowhere near as aggressive and he's not attacking the basket like before.

In that time, we've tanked - yes, but we've also developed DeRozan and Davis significantly. Triano is doing exactly what he should be this season - not playing for wins but just for player development.


Plus - is 25 wins at this point really a good thing? He would get 7 more wins how? The traditional way is to bench the rooks and play the vets heavier minutes. We're basically playing for a draft pick and youth development at this point, and I'd argue that Triano is better at developing youth than Collins.
Very overrated. Not a winning coach? Going 1-13 and than beating GOOD teams to get to .500, and in the playoffs without a star player doesn't mean shit? Lol....... He's in the running for COTY and you're sitting here talking about how much he sucks.

How are you gonna argue Triano is better at youth development... Have you seen how well Holiday, Lou Will, and T. Young are playing? And Triano doesn't get credit for DeRozans jumper. Youth development isn't all about offense, it's also about getting them to buy into the team concept, and play team defense.

I agree with you that Triano is a great coach for tanking though.

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Old 03-18-2011, 09:16 PM   #40 (permalink)
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I disagree. This is most athletic and defensive potential roster I've ever seen. Apart from Bargnani, everyone is very good. Even Calderon is doing much better.
The knock is on Triano for sure. Ever since Sam Mitchell was fired not only we sucked on D, but also there is very little accountability for mistakes. At least Smitch would bench you after a botched defensive assignment.
I have to agree. Just watched Detroit game and was so disgusted I had to fast forward FTs and such.
Prince can successfully defend Bargnani in the low post, are you kidding me?! The only real weapon AB has, he doesn't use so he'd be more rounded, c'mon, whenever!
On defence he's a C, but on 2-3 zone he's stuck on the left hiding. So amazing - he's slow but he doesn't even try to step in and challenge, just watches time and time again, everytime!
How can you let it go as a coach?!
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