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Old 06-08-2013, 07:48 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Tracy McGrady went there. Again.

On Friday, the 34-year-old Spurs reserve said what he has in the past — that the Raptors could have done big things, had he chose to stick around instead of fleeing to his hometown Orlando Magic.

It wasn’t anything new, McGrady and Vince Carter have been singing that tune for years, but by finally getting to the NBA Finals now, after being out of the league for a year, McGrady appears to have realized even more what could have been.

“At that time, I think Toronto probably could have competed for championships with the Lakers, that’s what I think,” McGrady said Friday.

But he was sick of being in Carter’s shadow and was eager to prove he could be the man on another team.

He nearly doubled his 15.4 points per game scoring average to 26.8 after joining Orlando, and led the NBA at 32.1 and 28.0 per game during his final two seasons there.

“Toronto, they didn’t know I was capable of that type of performance as far as scoring. I didn’t (even) know I had that in me,” he said.

McGrady said he thought he was more like LeBron James, a stat-stuffing do-everything player, but the “backing of my coaches and teammates” helped him emerge as a nightly 30+ scorer.
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A guy at the end of the road having regrets....

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Old 06-08-2013, 08:36 PM   #3 (permalink)
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when you see all the losing in this franchise it's not a surprise.. what could have been if Vince and McGrady stayed together.. the Raps were a team on the rise, till this day Glenwald was the best GM we every had
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Finally realizing he had a bad agent, took bad advice and was an egotistical douche. This is a lesson every NBA player should read when they are young. Honestly I was younger when he did this and thought he was an idiot...the only thing I get out of this is the satisfaction of thinking I told you so. The same garbage will come from Carter if he has the balls to say it out loud.

This is why intelligence has to be a bigger part of drafting criteria.

And Toronto knew exactly what he was capable of. Ass clown.

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Finally realizing he had a bad agent, took bad advice and was an egotistical douche. This is a lesson every NBA player should read when they are young. Honestly I was younger when he did this and thought he was an idiot...the only thing I get out of this is the satisfaction of thinking I told you so. The same garbage will come from Carter if he has the balls to say it out loud.

This is why intelligence has to be a bigger part of drafting criteria.
Why would Carter say it? He's not the one that left when it could have happened.
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Why would Carter say it? He's not the one that left when it could have happened.
He's already said it, several times in fact.
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He's already said it, several times in fact.
Yeah, that's true, but he didn't kill the possibility.
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Old 06-09-2013, 02:42 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Yeah, that's true, but he didn't kill the possibility.
Yes he did. He was a terrible leader. And not really bright which is my point.
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You only have 10-15 years in the league to win a title. Have the rest of your life to make money. A lot of ringless players realize that in the end.
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Old 06-09-2013, 04:39 AM   #10 (permalink)
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You only have 10-15 years in the league to win a title. Have the rest of your life to make money. A lot of ringless players realize that in the end.
Yes but you won't make as much money in the latter years of your life as you could as a player. At least not the average player
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:16 AM   #11 (permalink)
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probably would have made the finals maybe in one year but I doubt they would ever stop the lakers

damon stoudamire, marcus camby, mcgrady, if we kept everyone we got then we would have had a great chance at winning
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Old 06-09-2013, 06:27 AM   #12 (permalink)
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tmac went from 15 pts a game to 26 after he left TO, did he win MIP? and howcome James harden didnt win MIP? lol
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because that dude who was killing against the knicks and heat won it in Paul George,

I do agree when there is two guys that good the nba should just award both guys with that reward

or make two one for the east and one for the west

I do like the idea of have east winners and west winners for every reward, and then have the overall, its just way to give some attention to a player who is playing great

or another option if the don't want to do that, is having award show where they nominate 4 players by the nba it self, the media gets 25 percent of the vote, the coaches get another 25, same with players and fans

the run that show week after the finals, keeping attention on the nba for another week, also build on the draft, maybe through some good stories that happened during the season, like the heat run doing a segment about that etc....
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What he is saying is true and I understand that he's just reflecting but it bothers me a bit because he never gave the Raptors the chance to offer him a contract and present what they have to the table once free agency began(from what I remember). He was too busy throwing out the first pitch at the Cubs game and stuff before eventually going to Orlando. Ah well!
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kobe said this same thing years ago, tmac saying this now means shit all.
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wow, an awful amount of hate for a guy. he didnt say anything bad, and going home to play in his home town...nothing was wrong with that either. He could have went about it better, but wtf, lets not get homicidal about it.
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Finally realizing he had a bad agent, took bad advice and was an egotistical douche. This is a lesson every NBA player should read when they are young. Honestly I was younger when he did this and thought he was an idiot...the only thing I get out of this is the satisfaction of thinking I told you so. The same garbage will come from Carter if he has the balls to say it out loud.

This is why intelligence has to be a bigger part of drafting criteria.

And Toronto knew exactly what he was capable of. Ass clown.
yes, yes, yes, and yes. perfect summary.
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Finally realizing he had a bad agent, took bad advice and was an egotistical douche. This is a lesson every NBA player should read when they are young. Honestly I was younger when he did this and thought he was an idiot...the only thing I get out of this is the satisfaction of thinking I told you so. The same garbage will come from Carter if he has the balls to say it out loud.

This is why intelligence has to be a bigger part of drafting criteria.

And Toronto knew exactly what he was capable of. Ass clown.
Agreed with everything but the bolded part. You can't have it all, either you draft players with talent or you pick guys with smarts. You pick guys with the talent then you do everything in your power to teach them a few things. If you watched last night's game (Finals Game 2), you probably heard Jeff Van Gundy and Mike Breen talking about how Danny Green was in Popovich's doghouse for awhile, how Pop laid down the law and sent him to the D League and told him he needed to fix his intensity or he'd be out of the league. Now Green is a quintessential Popovich role player - D and 3's galore.
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I'd say this is why players need to be educated, at least a little bit, on the positive points of loyalty to the team that drafts you. It also shows that mentorship and having a strong role model on the team can be big decision makers.

Remember - Tim Duncan *almost* joined the superteam in Orlando with Tracy McGrady. Instead, he stayed (doubtless his relationship with Pop played some part in that decision, be it big or small I don't know).

It turned out that all T-Mac got was a hobbled post-surgery Grant Hill as a teammate. Incredibly, amazingly, the players that Detroit got for the superstar Hill - two undrafted players by the names of Chucky Atkins and Ben Wallace - would have probably been much better teammates for McGrady due to Hill's injuries.

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Agreed with everything but the bolded part. You can't have it all, either you draft players with talent or you pick guys with smarts. You pick guys with the talent then you do everything in your power to teach them a few things. If you watched last night's game (Finals Game 2), you probably heard Jeff Van Gundy and Mike Breen talking about how Danny Green was in Popovich's doghouse for awhile, how Pop laid down the law and sent him to the D League and told him he needed to fix his intensity or he'd be out of the league. Now Green is a quintessential Popovich role player - D and 3's galore.
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I'd say this is why players need to be educated, at least a little bit, on the positive points of loyalty to the team that drafts you. It also shows that mentorship and having a strong role model on the team can be big decision makers.

Remember - Tim Duncan *almost* joined the superteam in Orlando with Tracy McGrady. Instead, he stayed (doubtless his relationship with Pop played some part in that decision, be it big or small I don't know).

It turned out that all T-Mac got was a hobbled post-surgery Grant Hill as a teammate. Incredibly, amazingly, the players that Detroit got for the superstar Hill - two undrafted players by the names of Chucky Atkins and Ben Wallace - would have probably been much better teammates for McGrady due to Hill's injuries.
Funny that... I think Duncan is one of the smartest players out there. Good example. Stays put and wins 5 rings.

And as for teaching... well yes its essesntial and that's exactly why intelligence is important, except there are some people that are so dumb that, well; Some men you just can't reach. So you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it... well, he gets it.
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I completely saw that Tmac was better than Carter. But of course, everyone believed in the hype simply because of Carter and his vertical jump and dunks. (Too bad he had crappy handles, and barely ever dunked after driving on someone) Carter was so out of control when handling the ball, that is why he became a chucker.

Really was too bad that Tmac didn't stay.
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