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MBailey85 11-16-2012 12:35 PM

Masai Ujiri (Denver Nuggets GM) vs. Bryan Colangelo
 
Most Raptors fans may not be aware that current Denver Nuggets GM Masai Ujiri served as assistant GM to Bryan Colangelo from 2008 to 2010. He's done a decent job in the Mile High City so far,executing the Carmelo Anthony Trade acquiring Danilo Gallinari,Wilson Chandler and others. He also relieved the team from Nene's massive contract in a deal for Javale McGee. Then this past summer he snagged Andre Igougola in a blockbuster deal including the Sixers and Lakers. With pressure mounting on Bryan Colangelo in the final year of his contract,I ask myself who would Toronto hire as GM & President if they don't extend BC? Also thinking about Ujiri,it makes me wonder how did they let this gem get away,right from under their system? All the moves he's made has been legit like getting Kenneth Faried on draft day and extending Ty lawson's contract. It would be great to have him as the Raptors GM but its a little too late for that but how would he do in Toronto and is he a better GM than Colangelo,for the Raptors at least?

jeffb 11-16-2012 12:41 PM

You really think he could have anywhere near as much here as he has there? He was handed a playoff team full of talent. NYK were desperate to get Melo and overpayed. Ujiri has done a great job don't get me wrong, and I to be honest was shocked when he dealt NeNe when he did which certainly looks like the right move. His best move came this summer though when he was able to snag Iguodala, that impressed me for sure. But again, he has more talent there and we're a rebuilding team, who knows what he would do here in our current situation.

carp 11-16-2012 12:41 PM

Didn't this guy say Alabi was a prospect?

jeffb 11-16-2012 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by carp (Post 704271)
Didn't this guy say Alabi was a prospect?

That was his pick. So was Jawai.

creative1mm 11-16-2012 12:48 PM

raps pulled the plug on Glen Grunewald to early, I mean at the time it seemed like the rite thing to do, but looking back now, he is still the best GM we ever had..

we had Oakley, Davis, Childs and Montross.. that team was tough and physical, but it looks like we are starting to slowly head back in that direction though

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 11-16-2012 01:19 PM

It's close. BC is horrible in FA. Is ok in the draft and can make some nifty deals here and there. Masai took over a playoff team but has done well thus far. I gave the slight edge to BC because of the type of team he took over.

thought 11-16-2012 01:23 PM

Ujiri got a waaaayy better haul for his disgruntled franchise player than BC did.

LET'S GO RAPTORS!!!!! 11-16-2012 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by thought (Post 704286)
Ujiri got a waaaayy better haul for his disgruntled franchise player than BC did.

True. It also helped that he learned not to make the same mistake as BC.

TORaptor4Ever 11-16-2012 01:30 PM

Honestly.... I would look at Steve Kerr.

I was VERY impressed with what he was able to do in such a short time in PHX. The bench players that he brought in to compliment Nash and Amare were a perfect fit and although he DID fail inititally with the Shaq experiment, he acknowledged that failure quickly and moved to rectify it in short order.

He seems like he knows what it takes to build a winner.

thought 11-16-2012 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by carp (Post 704271)
Didn't this guy say Alabi was a prospect?

Tougher to hold a flop 2nd round pick against a GM when the majority of the time they're taken as flyers with a low expectation (and even probability) for future return.

Dario 11-16-2012 01:38 PM

alabi was a top 500 star talent

Bill Haverchuck 11-16-2012 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 704291)
Honestly.... I would look at Steve Kerr.

I was VERY impressed with what he was able to do in such a short time in PHX. The bench players that he brought in to compliment Nash and Amare were a perfect fit and although he DID fail inititally with the Shaq experiment, he acknowledged that failure quickly and moved to rectify it in short order.

He seems like he knows what it takes to build a winner.

I actually agree that he would be somebody worth seriously considering, assuming he wanted the job.

But no +1 for you, because we know you don't like ratings. :)

TORaptor4Ever 11-16-2012 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 704300)
Let's wait 10yrs when he's had time to fuck up and draft busts. We're talking about a rookie GM that has been given a talented playoff team, a HOF coach, a superstar to deal. Let's see what he does down the road when Denver is forced to rebuild. What were people thinking of Colangelo 6-10yrs ago? He could do no wrong and people saying it was all his father are out of their mind.

BC definitely had his share of screw ups in PHX lol.... people just choose to disregard them is all.

You also have to give Ujiri credit for getting good value for Melo and for moving Nene's horrendous contract (for a young player who could be just as good).

He's done a credible job so far.

carp 11-16-2012 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by thought (Post 704286)
Ujiri got a waaaayy better haul for his disgruntled franchise player than BC did.

BC didn't trade Vince.

:cookie:

Ujiri has looked good in Denver, but it's two entirely different situations and the Melo deal was timely..... The Lebron and friends show kind of exposed a new superfriends collusion aspect to the league and Ujiri experienced this with Colangelo as part of his team and a very trusted member of it.... it's wrong to suggest that the two situations are identical and that Ujir wasn't privy to some additional information for the Melo situation.

jeffb 11-16-2012 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by TORaptor4Ever (Post 704302)
BC definitely had his share of screw ups in PHX lol.... people just choose to disregard them is all.

You also have to give Ujiri credit for getting good value for Melo and for moving Nene's horrendous contract (for a young player who could be just as good).

He's done a credible job so far.


NYK was willing to give them their whole roster for Melo after missing out on Lebron, Wade, Bosh so I could have made a great deal there. And NeNe's horrendous contract was given to him by Ujiri. As for BC having his share or screw ups in PHX, no GM with experience doesn't.

finstock 11-16-2012 02:22 PM

Ujiri is winning the SF acquisition battle so far.

MBailey85 11-16-2012 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by carp (Post 704271)
Didn't this guy say Alabi was a prospect?

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 704273)
That was his pick. So was Jawai.

Nathan Jawai is garbage,you're right lol but we're talking about 2nd round picks here. I don't recall Colangelo selecting and keeping good ones himself. As far as Alabi,maybe he's not a top or surefire prospect but he never really got a fair shake in Toronto. That could be a result of him not showing enough in practice or maybe the Raptors staff weren't really that high on Alabi to begin with. Who knows but what we do know is he's a young 7 footer with length and size who can be productive in a specific role,if given the opportunity. He appeared in 4 games last season when he played 10 or more minutes. In those games he averaged 6.7 points,11.7 rebounds,1.4 blocks on 34% FG shooting in 24 minutes per game. I think that's good enough statistics to suggest he can develop. Truthfully,I rather have him on my team than Aaron Gray. Alabi >>> Gray. Even so far this season with the Hornets, Alabi's stats and production is better than Gray's.

jeffb 11-16-2012 03:43 PM

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Alabi >>> Gray.
Yeah, wtf are you smoking?

MBailey85 11-16-2012 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jeffb (Post 704336)
Yeah, wtf are you smoking?

Nothing really,just some Belmont's right now.....

I made a little case for Alabi, and provided some stats to back it up. If you want to compare them thus far this season the evidence is there too,to support my claim. I'm not saying I'm right,its just my opinion that Alabi>Gray.

Give me your case why Aaron Gray is so much better than Solomon Alabi for you to ask me wtf am I smoking lol? Essentially they're the same caliber of player at the moment but Alabi could be more productive on a team like the Raptors than Gray..

pzabby 11-16-2012 04:15 PM

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Originally Posted by @BaileysBlitz (Post 704345)
Nothing really,just some Belmont's right now.....

I made a little case for Alabi, and provided some stats to back it up. If you want to compare them thus far this season the evidence is there too,to support my claim. I'm not saying I'm right,its just my opinion that Alabi>Gray.

Give me your case why Aaron Gray is so much better than Solomon Alabi for you to ask me wtf am I smoking lol? Essentially they're the same caliber of player at the moment but Alabi could be more productive on a team like the Raptors than Gray..

Alabi could be better than gray, but it's gray's sheer size and experience that this team uses. alabi was rather thin from what I remember, and well, a rookie.


bellmonts are awesome


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